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A mall in Iran these days Video
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u/ziptiedinatrunk Dec 01 '22
In mundane everyday activities, like walking around a mall, where many of the women are choosing freedom, how dangerous is it? Could the morality police raid at any moment?
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u/UnKaveh Dec 01 '22
It's still quite dangerous but they're getting away with it for two reasons here:
- Have power in numbers here and are physically spread out.
- This is most likely a very ritzy area for the upper class, which means these are people that have money and possible connections to the government.
There still may be a raid and some of these people imprisoned but more likely a shit load of fines would be handed out.
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u/bankrobba Dec 01 '22
It's #2.
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u/Muffin_Bunny19C Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22 •
well as someone from the upper middle class in Iran these people definitely do have money but connections to the government? no
also having money in Iran is quite different from what you consider rich in your country.
here having a house a car being able to buy enough food and being left with enough money to be able to shop for clothes and... is considered being rich.
in other places it's just considered being normal...
a lot of these people can't get cars and houses anymore they've got what they had from years ago.
although this is definitely not how all Iran is. but the bigger cities of Iran all look like this.
Edit: to clarify from owning a house and car I meant simply "having them" by rent loan or anything else.
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u/Other_Requirement_93 Dec 02 '22
I can confirm. My family is in the lower class of Iran and everyday is a struggle for them. I send money to help out and they are always thankful!
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u/HangingWithYoMom Dec 01 '22
No it’s not. Government people don’t walk around like that in Iran at all. Why do you guys come up with such assumptions so confidently?
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u/WorldsBestArtist Dec 01 '22 •
I don't think there are anywhere near enough "morality" police to put an end to the protests. Back when it was just a dozen women brave enough to come out and fight for their freedom the morality police had no problem arresting them, but now what can they do? Throw half the country into prison?
The people as a majority have way more power than any government.
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u/Czane45 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22
This is true in any country and why we can’t listen to the oppressors when they tell us resistance and struggle is useless, it’s not! Historically, only 3.5% of the population of a place must rise up and take action to make real change happen, anyone can start a revolution and that terrifies the ruling class
Edit: as someone was confused on another thread this has nothing to do with the nonsensical far right 3 per center movement, those people are clowns working with a legend they made up, this is based on empirical evidence from modern cultural leftist movements especially in South America.
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u/fingerscrossedcoup Dec 01 '22
The current move is to make the population hate each other and any outsiders. At least in America that's how they keep us down. I guess it's not even current. There was always the divide in race. Now that race is becoming more of a non-issue the powers that be have drawn political lines for us to squabble over.
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u/No-Turnips Dec 01 '22 •
Not American - but I might argue that you’ve actually got one of the healthiest and accountable democracies in the world. Not the best, but it’s pretty great. Someone actually tried to overthrow your government and install themselves as a dictator and your people stopped it. You have presidents that are bad at their jobs and you fire them every four years. There’s definitely some issues, but I think we saw the power of democracy when your country refused to let Trump riot on your capitol building. I’m proud of you America!
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Dec 01 '22
The fact that his own hand picked Vice President, a man with whom I disagree on most things politically, still had the democratic principles necessary to hold firm gave me renewed faith in the strength of our democracy. And it wasn't just him. There was the Georgia Attorney General, and the hordes of Trump-appointed judges ruling against his claims of election fraud. I think that many of my fellow Americans don't realize that, in non-democratic societies, the judiciary becomes the puppet of the executive, which in turn gives them great legal power to impose their will.
Damn I don't think I could handle another 4 years of him stress testing our systems though lol
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u/rubber_bastard Dec 01 '22
hong kong got far, far more then 3.5% for highly organized, sustained protests with clear demands, and look how that ended.
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u/WayneKrane Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
If you go by China’s total population, Hong Kong only makes up 0.005% of the total pop.
Edit: I’m wrong, it’s 0.5%
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u/Tastypies Dec 01 '22
morality police
I initially misread it as "mortality police". Oh well, where's the difference.
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This really is awesome! It's also very sad, the price paid for this seemingly basic freedom.
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u/Educational_Music930 Dec 01 '22
Yaah but sad part is they are still fighting against government
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u/illegitimate_Raccoon Dec 01 '22
Yes, it's not done yet. The religious police are simply occupied elsewhere
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u/lazerayfraser Dec 01 '22
Yeah im not saying people should live in fear but there are cameras everywhere and wearing a mask in public in places such as this seems like a relevant choice other than just to prevent covid. secret police are good at being secretive in their shitty secret dealings, including surveillance. Hopefully enough of the majority have made the fear of punishing everyone and their literal mothers for freedom irrelevant, for the time being anyway
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u/Eyehavenoname Dec 01 '22
Can't imagine living in a place where I need to worry about being disappeared and never seen again for going to a mall...wish things were better
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Dec 01 '22
yeah I'm a little conflicted about how to feel about someone filming all these people & making their faces public to the police
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u/ZodiacWalrus Dec 01 '22
Yeah, no harm intended by others in the comments I'm sure but for a second it seemed like the rhetoric was "And it's over now! The good guys won! Yay!" and while it's clear that some battles for progress have been won, the war is still not over. This post serves best as a reminder of what the WHOLE country MIGHT look like in the future, after drastic systemic change is made, beyond just simple government pullback.
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u/rinky79 Dec 01 '22
It's also what the country looked like before. Iran was a lot closer to normal before 1979.
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u/kropotkinenjoyer Dec 01 '22
They are still clashing in the street, being machine gunned by military and riot police. DShK shells litter the streets. If you don't know what those look like they are bullet casings about the size of your hand. The situation is very bad and many people die each day. Jin jiyan azadi may Kurdistan live forever
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u/ifimhereimrealbored Dec 01 '22
Not just the head coverings, but the womens' clothes are much more formal and modest in the April video, whereas the recent video looks more Western (more jeans, sweatshirts,etc). The crowd is much younger in the recent video.
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u/a_moniker Dec 01 '22
The mall is also much more populated. It looked a bit like one of those fake malls in North Korea before.
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u/geenaleigh Dec 01 '22
That may just be the time of the year, if even the day of the week. A Monday evening looks totally different than a Friday evening at a mall.
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u/a_moniker Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
True! That idea had completely slipped my mind, so thanks for pointing it out.
My gut assumption was that more women might be shopping because they now feel comfortable wearing an increased variety of clothes, and as a result needed to buy a new wardrobe. However, I know very little about the situation in Iran, so that’s just a blind guess.
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u/JamesTheJust1 Dec 01 '22
You can still see a fair amount of uncovered heads in this video, so I'm just curious what were the actual laws about the head coverings. Was it an actual law with criminal enforcement, or more of an "expectation" that carried mostly religious admonishment?
Are the women in this older video without headscarves doing anything unusual?
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u/paper_tiger_ Dec 01 '22 •
Yes, there was (and is) a law requiring head covering, with criminal enforcement. But the enforcement depends a lot on where you are and is very random and up to the specific cop. A fancy mall is the type of place that wouldn't have much enforcement.
Most women partially comply: put a headscarf half-on when you leave the house, pull it down if you go to the mall, pull it up if you go into a government office, etc. You can see that most of the women in the video with uncovered heads still have a scarf around their necks. So being entirely without a headscarf is unusual, but not fully following the rules is very normal.
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u/LaunchTransient Dec 01 '22
They have "Morality police" who are legally empowered to harass and issue punishments for those not following the rules. From how I understand it, it's more of a parallel legal system that is "legislated" by the religious leaders, as opposed to being enshrined in actual law.
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u/uwanmirrondarrah Dec 01 '22
In affluent areas its not really enforced. In lower class areas its heavily enforced.
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u/NotForMeClive7787 Dec 01 '22
Exactly. People had to die in large numbers so women could be free to choose to allow their hair to be seen. How fucking moronic is that…..and yet people all over the world across many religions feel that bowing down to such imaginary tyranny is the only way people should be living their lives. It’s a disgrace
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u/StrangledMind Dec 01 '22
I'm sure this is just how it was phrased, but the tyranny isn't imaginary, nor the horror and oppression the protestors suffered. It's only the rules that were made-up...
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u/SFWins Dec 01 '22
I would assume theyre referring to the tyranny of the deity (imaginary) which is enforced by tyranny of the fanatics (real)
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u/ahivarn Dec 01 '22
People overrule their natural instincts and compassion and logic to listen to some guy in some cave 14th century ago who would have taken an entirely different path himself if born today
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u/TatManTat Dec 01 '22
Why is everyone commenting like it's over?
Lot more people will die before it's done.
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u/JustAnotherMiqote Dec 01 '22
Whether or not you believe in God isn't the problem, it's the fact that some people feel like they need to push their beliefs onto others. They think it's alright to harass, threaten, abuse, and kill people that don't agree with them. That's the true evil.
You can believe what you want, but so can everyone else. You get one chance to live your life, and nobody should be able to tell you how to live it or what religion to believe in.
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u/NotForMeClive7787 Dec 01 '22
A good reason why all powerful theocracies shouldn’t be allowed
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u/nahtorreyous Dec 01 '22
It's also very sad, the price paid for this seemingly basic freedom.
Its sad but true; Freedom isn't free.
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u/RealSpookySounds Dec 01 '22 •
It takes folks like you and me
and if you don't chip in that buckofive who will?
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u/GarbageConsistent168 Dec 01 '22
It’s like those pictures of Iran in the 60s. Just people enjoying life
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We are taking back our country 😎
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u/juxley Dec 01 '22
Congratulations to you! Keep pushing and stay strong! Know that there are those all over the world cheering for you and wishing you well! Be safe!
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Thank you so much ❤️🙏🏻 Love you all from Iran ❤️
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u/hIbqnqana Dec 01 '22
Love from America. Keep pushing.
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u/Professional-Hat9905 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
Fellow American here, rooting for the Iranian people you deserve all the freedoms your brave people have been fighting for. Wish nothing but the best for all the people in Iran
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u/bvttfvcker Interested Dec 01 '22
American here, much respect for you and your fellow countrymen. Absolute role models.
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u/webchip Dec 01 '22
Just a heads up, that’s the flag we’re tryna get rid of (mostly the crab symbol). Thanks for your support ❤️
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u/Valdularo Dec 01 '22
Northern Ireland/ Ireland here! Please stay strong! You guys deserve your freedom! So proud of all of you!
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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 Dec 01 '22
American here. I support the hell out you guys!
But...can someone tell me the hoodie that dude was wearing. Twas sick.
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u/iamnotamangosteen Dec 01 '22
So proud of you, you have all my support! I’m amazed by the bravery you all are showing.
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u/Latter-Breadfruit-61 Dec 01 '22
Us Brits wish you all the best too. Keep going 💪💪💪💪
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u/emitch123 Dec 01 '22
Love back to you friend, never stop. There are more of you than there are of them.
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u/Yeahnoallright Dec 01 '22
Love from South Africa! We’re a testament to the fact that, in the end, goodness is stronger than evil. A long way to go, as I’m sure is the same for you, but keep pushing ❤️
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u/The_WandererHFY Dec 01 '22
You're all crushing it over there, love to see it. Break those authoritarians over your knee like twigs, and let all that beauty back out into the world.
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u/brnjenkn Dec 01 '22
Fundamentalists just can't stand seeing happy people.
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They are ugly inside and out. That’s why they hate beauty and joy 😑
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u/MediocreFisherman Dec 01 '22
They absolutely disgust me.
The men can't control their rapey urges, so the solution, instead of fixing the problem, is to make the women wear coverings. Thats pathetic and they should be made to feel like worthless pieces of shit. They are basically saying "I can't possibly control myself, so you have to do it for me."
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u/Beneficial-Shine-598 Dec 01 '22
Exactly. Normal men look at attractive women and think to themselves damn she’s hot I’d love to have sex with her, then keep walking and think of something else. We don’t jump on her and try to rape her. That’s extremely abnormal, maladjusted behavior.
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u/APigNamedLucy Dec 01 '22
That's the worst part, it's an excuse. Like seriously, people can't control their desires? That's not even true , all over the world people "control" their desires and don't rape or otherwise harass people for not wearing a headscarf. If you are doing that, you have a whole other set of problems.
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u/Narrow_Can1984 Dec 01 '22
I think it's something much colder than that. For a government to control a population easier, just subjugate half of it and get rid of half the problems. Or so they thought. Making people unhappy only makes that nation weaker and easier to conquer. After all they all had a mother who raised them, right ?
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u/Mikex2377 Dec 01 '22
Is there certain part of the country that is more open and free and certain parts that are not? Just curious. I thought Iran had nothing like this. Really cool to see.
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Dec 01 '22
Well that’s a given. That’s usually how countries are. But as a whole our country is more or less done with religion let alone this religious government. So what you see here is a good and mostly accurate reflection of our nation.
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u/Dismal_Struggle_6424 Dec 01 '22
I'm reading a book to my daughter about a little girl from Iran and her family that were living in the US starting in the late 1970s. (It Ain't So Awful, Falafel by Firoozeh Dumas)
She is going to be so happy when I show her this!
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Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
Ah that’s so sweet. Soon you guys can come over and see the country yourself. We were used to be besties before the revolution. It will be like that again😊
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u/tatertotsnhairspray Dec 01 '22
My best friend from childhood is Iranian and her family would tell us stories of how they fled from the oppression there, so this is just stunning and so brave and beautiful! Sending you continued courage and strength and safety in your efforts from afar!!
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u/i-hoatzin Dec 01 '22
Please, expand a little more what you are seeing. Are you really seeing that degree of openness? What about detainees and political prisoners?
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Dec 01 '22
I wanted to highlight the openness of the society. So you can see what kind of people are revolting against those backward 7th century mullahs. They are not open at all. This is noncompliance and a revolution in the making.
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u/i-hoatzin Dec 01 '22
I really hope that the common sense of the Iranians can prevail, without getting crushed by these retrogrades. You have an ancient culture that goes far beyond those fanatical claims, and you have a lot to offer the world, to be locked up by the will of those who feel authorized by a divinity to reign over others. I wish you the best.
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u/Jazzper74 Dec 01 '22
You go girls 👊🏻
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u/SteveFrench12 Dec 01 '22
Never thought id be close to tears watching random people walk around a mall.
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u/Trojenectory Dec 01 '22
And the men and boys supporting them! Let’s go humanity! Human rights for all people of earth!
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u/El-Kabongg Dec 01 '22
There is NO going back, I figure. Hard to make someone put on the hijab when they're laughing in your face and an angry mob is silently surrounding you and knocking off YOUR turban, or whatever what the mullahs wear is called.
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u/just0rdinaryguy Dec 01 '22
Iran Supreme leader & those f Mullah will not pass on this. Those lunatic Shia Mullah use religion as a way to gain authority. As long as those Mullah in power, Iranian will never be free.
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Definitely
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u/Plus_Mine_9782 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
Iran deserves better. Fuck your leaders up. Love from America bro
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u/Pit_of_Death Dec 01 '22
As the Iranian regime has been fond of saying "Death to America" in the past....let's update that to "Death to the Mullahs". Hopefully someday soon, prominent ones will get Ghaddafi'd.
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u/kremit73 Dec 01 '22
They look actually happy.
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u/3lirex Dec 01 '22
tbh, views like this weren't uncommon in iran before, i don't think very much has changed in this regard.
you can see many of them have hoodies or a scarf around their necks, and as long as you had that, you were ok.
that said, in more religious cities such as mashhad and qoum this isn't common, but also the demographic there is different.
source: been to iran, and know Iranians and most of my friends and originally persian.
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u/LewisEFurr Dec 01 '22
If you could have told me 10 years ago that women would be walking in Iran without burqa's or hijab's while the Islamic regime was still in power I would have laughed in your fucking face.
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u/Designer-Brief-9145 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22
I dont think burqas are an Iranian thing. Far more common are the chador, which covers everything but the face, and the niqab, which covers everything except the eyes. Burqas cover eyes with a screen and I think theyre considerably baggier (cant think of a better word)
Edit: My mistake, niqab is not at all common in Iran, there's a small number of members of ethnic minorities who wear them.
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u/LordDongler Dec 01 '22
Turns out, the secret is that they have no more power than they are given. Stop doing what these assholes say and they'll just vanish on their own
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u/Czane45 Dec 01 '22
Yes it only takes 3.5% of the population refusing to follow orders and laws to make real change start to happen. They can’t shoot that many people as morbid as that sounds
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u/whitepowderycheese Dec 01 '22
3.5% of Iran’s population is around 3 million people. Unfortunately that death toll has been reached by awful regimes before.
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u/Littleman88 Dec 01 '22
It's more a matter of productivity and degrees of separation. At some point, they would be killing way too many loved ones to people on the verge of being radicalized to avoid fanning the flames of rebellion.
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u/HornedDiggitoe Dec 01 '22
Sure, but that was before globalization. It’s a lot harder to pull off these days.
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u/dantemp Dec 01 '22
Sure, as long as you are OK with the risk of being murdered, it's doable.
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u/fBarney Dec 01 '22
NOOOO HIDE THE WOMEN WE CANT LOOK AT THEM! THEY WILL STRANGLE US WITH THEIR HAIR!
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u/OM3- Dec 01 '22
yea some chick showed me her ankle the other day still have a boner i dont know what to do
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u/SignificantFan1629 Dec 01 '22
This is awesome!!!! Congratulations from Texas!!
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Dec 01 '22
Thank you. Love from Iran ❤️❤️
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u/SignificantFan1629 Dec 01 '22
I am genuinely excited about the changes that have been made over there!!
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u/THiedldleoR Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
For me as a european this just looks like a regular mall.
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u/martinsky3k Dec 01 '22
Yes this was my immediate thought too.
Then I realized what I saw. An Iranian mall and almost nobody is covering their hair etc. The fact that it right now looks like a normal european mall is a beautiful thing. I really hope they get their freedom back.
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u/Totally_Legit_1234 Dec 01 '22
I didn't properly read the title, and was waiting for something to happen cause I was sitting here like "this is just regular mall footage"
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u/nygdan Dec 01 '22
The Fanatics: "Oh shit we're outnumbered"
Always let the bastards know they're in the minority.
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u/Root125 Dec 01 '22
Iranian here, it’s a propaganda clip, the regime wants the west to think that all is normal now and nobody harasses women anymore but the morality police are still in the streets and we are still on the streets and fighting with regime forces.
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Dec 01 '22
Nobody said we aren’t fighting the regime. I’m just showing the people our small victories. Don’t be a کاسه داغتر از آش. Think straight and realise we should show the people of the world how we look as a society. That helps our cause.
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People don’t realise portraying people as equals gets us much more support than portraying us as beat down victims that are getting killed and arrested. If you don’t show people our victories eventually the world will lose interest and moves on. That’s what I’m trying to do!
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u/Scoopdoopdoop Dec 01 '22
Most middle American dads think Iran is a third world desert shithole that looks nothing like this. It would help if everyone knew we aren't all that different
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This is islamic regime propaganda, even before protests women in wealthy places in Tehran didn’t wear scarfs, most of the country is still under oppression. Im living in Iran and it looks nothing like this, girls are scared more than ever, scared of getting shot by the police.
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u/otra_persona Dec 01 '22
I was about to say…. This looks like a luxury gallery mall. Most likely affluent population who could be politically connected. The police beatings Ive seen are out in the dirty streets. Could it be a class division of law enforcement?
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u/AbeRego Dec 01 '22
Based on OP's comments, they are not pushing pro-islamic propaganda.
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u/Dip__Stick Dec 01 '22
Maybe. OP seems pretty anti regime here: https://reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/z9near/a_mall_in_iran_these_days/iyhisri
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u/myrandastarr Dec 01 '22
Yeah this seems more likely than an account that was created a couple weeks ago.. but your post history says you live in Germany so idk
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u/IrisIridos Dec 01 '22
This isn't OP's video though, it comes from a YouTube channel that is a couple years old
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u/Not_as_witty_as_u Dec 01 '22
Yeah and bit of a troll too so idk. Wrote “kill her china!” And deleted it on a post about pelosi landing in Taiwan.
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u/NotVanillapudding Dec 01 '22
Cool! Now do the thing to the mullahs. Get it on!
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Dec 01 '22
We’re on it 😎
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u/NotVanillapudding Dec 01 '22
As an American I’m so happy for you guys and I’ll be praying for a swift victory.
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Dec 01 '22
Love you and beautiful American people from Iran ❤️❤️❤️
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u/Pherllerp Dec 01 '22
I’ve always looked forward to a time when Iran and the US can be on friendly terms again. Maybe we are finally approaching that time.
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u/DevilGuy Dec 01 '22
Iran is a country where a sane 21st century population lives under and tries to get around the dictates of a psychopathic 5th century sovereign.
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u/Bullfist Dec 01 '22
Tears happened. This is amazing to see. I know you all still have a long way to go but. Thanks for posting.
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u/PhotographNew2312 Dec 01 '22
Meeting with a best friend is like OMG, you are blonde, how cool is that?
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u/TWIX55 Interested Dec 01 '22
A woman can see another woman's hair. But a man can't. So if 2 women were in a room, then they'd know what each other's hair looks like etc. But if a man was in the room, then he'd have to keep guessing her hair colour 😅
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u/pooppuffin Dec 01 '22
Women can remove their hijabs in front of men in their immediate family, too.
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u/Milkslinger Dec 01 '22
The woman @ 0:16 trying to cover her face from the camera so she won't be hunted down
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u/bigrafii Dec 01 '22
You have to have lived under 43 years of total oppression to truly understand how liberating this feels… several generations lived in hell since the 1979 revolution and now we can finally see some light at the end of this dark tunnel! Let’s not stop until we are totally free of this cancerous regime!
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u/SpentPennies Dec 01 '22
Real Talk:
There are less hijabs being donned in Iran than you will see in any store or on any street in Dearborn.
I hope this trend extends over here. There are still thousands and thousands of young and old Muslim women alike who still wear it here. But they mostly do it by choice. No one other than someone in their family is pressuring them to do it here.
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u/LongSpray82 Dec 01 '22
This is a high-end shopping mall in a very wealthy area of Tehran. It’s not at all representative of the country as a whole.
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u/OhLordyLordNo Dec 01 '22
True. The good part is that it is highly visible and right under the regimes' noses and nobody is stopping it.
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u/coldfu Dec 01 '22
Try that in the rural regions which are far away from the regime. People's mindsets have to change, not just the government.
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u/Artefact5 Dec 01 '22 •
What a time to be an Iranian progressist shampoo company