r/JoeRogan I used to be addicted to Quake Aug 17 '22 Gold 1 Wholesome 4 Silver 6 Helpful 7 Heartwarming 1

Rogan pushes back on guest saying that minors should be forced to carry a rapists baby The Literature 🧠

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u/GKBilian It's entirely possible Aug 17 '22

The end of the video merges so seamlessly with the beginning that you could almost watch this video for an eternity and think they were just making the same arguments over and over

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u/DualStack Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Time is a flat circle

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u/Philooch Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

The yelloooow kingggg

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u/YoloMcSwagg3r Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Carcosa....

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u/Truffle_Shuffle_85 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

If you're looking for Destiny, I saw here down at the Mac Donald's.

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u/JP_IS_ME_91 We live in strange times Aug 17 '22

Reggie motherfucking Ledoux did this!?

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u/DBUTTS1 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Acolyte

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u/getouttypehypnosis Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes...

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u/Jyel Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes, it's corrosive like acid.

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u/MOFYS Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Nice reference

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u/Warclimb Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Then Bill Burr enters in the room, takes that random guy mic and start trashing him for an hour

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u/eeeeeeeeEeeEEeeeE6 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

"how bout I fuck you in the ahhsss and make you carry around my Spehrm for 9 months you jahckahhss"

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u/altered_state Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

lmfao

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u/GeronimoK4 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

This is perfect

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u/dudlord I used to be addicted to Quake Aug 17 '22

I guess that's kind of what the podcast is tho

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u/WemedgeFrodis Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Guess that's why Tim Heidecker made a 12 hour parody that was exactly that.

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u/brinkcitykilla Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

https://youtu.be/P6Iyg9fznvM

It’s so dry but it’s spot on and hilarious if you are a fan of Tim

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u/quaintpants Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

thanks for this. love it

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u/kehbleh Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It's so good. Performance art. It should be in the Louvre.

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u/eggseverydayagain Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

That’s preposterous

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u/HuhItsAllGooey Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I guess that's kind of what the podcast is tho

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u/JPD050409 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

That's preposterous

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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Do you own a school named 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu? If so, how long did you watch it before you realized it was just like a 1 minute clip?

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u/brainLMAO420 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

And that sums up the position of the idiot who thinks abortion is murder. It's possible to argue with them for eternity because he is stuck in an ideological flat earth brain that has a huge ice wall around it and is impenetrable to other perspectives

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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '22

Kinda makes that Heidecker parody all the more spot on.

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u/LambRoastLover Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Table Slap

Never go full retard.

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u/Dr_SnM Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Respect

I got banned from Twitter for life for making this comment.

Just a mildly interesting fact about me.

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u/Traps86 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Sounds like a good bullet point for your resume

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u/TandemSaucer Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I've been banned from a couple subreddits for saying that about Marjorie Taylor Hitler.

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u/Brownie_McBrown_Face Texan Tiger in Captivity Aug 17 '22

I got banned from r/woahdude for saying I harvest bacteria on my foreskin

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u/Diamond_lampshade Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Marjorie Trailer Green

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u/Poemy_Puzzlehead Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Wholesome

Joe talks about his own daughter. The other goof talks about some christian influencers who give lectures about themselves.

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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22 Helpful Coin Gift Starry

I take fat dumps on Joe here all the time, but OMG what a fucking breath of fresh air that he can at least see what's wrong with policy that directly impacts his daughter in a negative way.

A lot of people lack the empathy/compassion/desire to see how their beliefs would apply to others.

There is still hope for this bald, short Texas "comic."

edit: bad spellar

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u/Amorganskate Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

You don't have to agree with him on everything but you can tell he got low key pissed off here

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u/Cat_Crap Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Yeh this might be the first pro-joe clip i've seen in months, perhaps even years.

Good for him. Wouldn't this be a great year if Joe somehow snapped out of it.

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u/abow3 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Right? It's refreshing!

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u/DiamondPopTart Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

This is kind of how he used to be. A total moron but at least his heart was in the right place.

A few years ago he turned into the right wing mouthpiece most people know him as, so it’s hard to believe he was rational at some point

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u/Coachcrog Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Absolutely, his old self started to come through a bit. He needs to take a step back and stop chilling with all these exteremists and maybe watch a few of his earlier episodes to refind himself. I haven't listened to him since he started going crazy on the covid shit, but I've seen a few recent clips that have some super interesting guests that I'd like to watch. I might put together a playlist thats just newer episodes I find interesting and leave out the shit that's just going to leave a bad taste.

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u/WookieesGoneWild Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

I stopped listening when the podcast was just Joe constantly bitching about covid and gender politics. But I've listening to a few episodes recently that had guests I was interested in and Joe has seemed to have lightened up a lot. He's not fully back to old Joe, but he's a lot closer and more entertaining than he was the last couple years.

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u/Funkyduck8 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

The space and science based ones are fantastic (Brian Cox, Michio Kaku, Brian Greene, not NDT)

Also, the comedy ones with Greg Fitzsimmons, Theo Von, Andrew Schulz are great, and as an avid martial artist and MMA lover, I always watch those episodes too.

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u/InternetWeakGuy jokes fly over his fat ahead at an alarming rate Aug 17 '22

I take fat dumps on Joe here all the time, but OMG what a fucking breath of fresh air that he can at least see what's wrong with policy that directly impacts his daughter in a negative way.

You can tell he's mad too, and honestly I got fucking mad listening to this dumb motherfucker. I couldn't have sat there and listened to him talk for another two hours.

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u/slopcrusher Succa la Mink Aug 17 '22

I was sort of expecting him to push back on him, but as soon as he brought up his own daughter I could tell he was pissed

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u/Merreck1983 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It's pretty obvious that Rogan has considered the possibility that this could absolutely happen to his own kid. I also dump on him a lot since the last few years, but this clip was legitimately thoughtful and concerned.

Joe's also never been pro religious orthodoxy, at least in the sense of religions governing the actions of people that don't believe or care.

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u/magseven Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

100%. It's incomprehensible to me how some people can think that a guy can leap out of the shadows and not only fuck someone up mentally for the rest of their lives, but now also other people can FORCE you to change your body physically to accommodate their own beliefs and not your medical safety or the basic choice of your own future. I'm very glad Joe is pretty firm on this.

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u/CocoCarly60 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Note the other guy had absolutely zero interest in the teenage rape victim or how her life ended up. Typical pro forced birth male. Maybe women should band together and try to ban ED pills since God obviously didn't want those degenerates to get it up enough to impregnate women.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Makes perfect sense that ED meds are covered by insurance but conception meds are not.

The GOP

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u/Bargin10 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

This is actually sickening to think about.

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u/Mdizzle29 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

What Joe needs to be firm on is a woman, of ANY age, has the right to choose what happens to her own body for ANY reason.

It is her RIGHT, and I'm not interested in only marginal use cases. Its her right for ANY reason to. Full stop.

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u/teknomanzer Monkey in Space Aug 18 '22

As I said to someone else who tried to claim that these marginal cases only account for a small percentage of abortions - there are many reasons for a woman to get an abortion and none of those reasons are anyone's god damned business.

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u/veils1de Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I truly dont see much substance behind the beliefs of pro life people. It always goes back to the reductive idea of "well it will be a person eventually". And what about everything in between that?

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u/JohnDagger17 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It's the typical conservative thing of being against a thing until it directly impacts you. Dick Cheney only became pro gay marriage when his daughter came out as a lesbian. Megan Kelly only became in favor of maternity leave when she had her first kid after railing against it for years on Fox News.There is a distinct lack of empathy on the right. Unless they have direct experience to force them to form their own opinion, they will just stick to the ideas they prefer, regardless of evidence.

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u/DocFossil Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Even personal experience isn’t always going to change their stance. There was a Reddit thread earlier this year of people who worked in clinics and provided abortion to anti-choice clients. It was disturbing how often they reported that the client’s attitude was “What you’re doing is wrong! Now provide it for me you monster.” Absolutely bonkers.

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u/LetsDOOT_THIS Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I mean there's a lot of people that ONLY have empathy once it affects someone around them, but yea good on Rogan here he should beat that dude's ass.

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u/gazhealey Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Yeah I detected valed aggression in Joe’s delivery. Good on him.

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u/cmcewen Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Yeah he was angry but as dude above you stated, it’s only because now it affects him or his loved ones personally

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u/TemporaryPractical Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I feel like I could see it too. Lucky they weren’t outside, I guess.

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u/Tularemia Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

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u/Biffsbuttcheeks We live in strange times Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

I’d like him and others to push back when they start calling abortion murder. (Maybe he does later). Like the implication that abortion is actual murder is insane. That means, every missed period needs to be reported to the police for investigation - possible murder. Every miscarriage, investigated - murder? Or involuntary manslaughter? Cops in hospitals, making sure the dads and moms are separated and interviewed to ensure consistent narratives. Possible negligent homicide if deemed the mom wasn’t taking good enough care of herself during the pregnancy. Is this what people who believe in freedom want?

Edit: let’s be clear that it’s a lie that it’s murder. It’s a lie they tell themselves and some may believe it on the surface but every forced birther knows deep down that abortion is Not murder. If they really believed it was murder, there would be no question that every missed period should require a police investigation to determine whether the female was sexually active and determine the cause of miscarriage if her pregnancy doesn’t continue. Every woman who miscarries should be brought up on manslaughter charges, because it was her body that terminated the pregnancy. If you don’t think that, guess what, you don’t think abortion is murder either.

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u/paper_liger Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

Yeah. Not even all homicides are murder. There are real justifications for killing people sometimes.

So just like killing someone in self defense isn't murder, aborting a fetus to prevent a 14 year old from carrying a rapists child is clearly not murder.

edit: and furthermore, those children of rape going around giving speeches to anti abortion people are fucking trash. They are literally cashing in on their own mothers tragedy. fuck them.

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u/Skaid Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

those children of rape going around giving speeches to anti abortion people are fucking trash.

Absolute trash. And it's also such a dumb argument, just like when people say "what if your mother had aborted you?!" Well then I wouldn't exist to give a single fuck about it! People cant fathom that * not existing * is not something negative, it's just nothing. You can't compare it to anything

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u/kucam12 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

as soon as he can feel it, or he can imagine it happening to a loved one, then his stance changes. that's the ”real” part of his whole persona that attracted so many people to him, a pity he needs to go through something, or to have to imagine it happening to a loved one to be able to empathise with it.

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u/HappyFamily0131 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I just wish it didn't have to impact Joe or his own daughter before he could see a wrong policy as wrong. I have zero daughters. I still don't want girls to have to carry their rapists' babies, because I care about people even when they're not me and also aren't my children.

Seeing this reaction makes me feel like Joe only cares about himself and those closest to him, and to me that seems like such a selfish and shortsighted way to live. How can he not see that there will always be things that affect one person and not everyone, and that someday, eventually, he will be the one person in that scenario, and if everyone lived the way he does, no one would care about him, and no one would want to help him, because they'd all only care about their own issues. Caring about others is its own reward, but that's also not its only reward. Striving for compassion for all, and encouraging compassion for all, means that when your turn comes to suffer a rare setback or tragedy, you will not be alone, you will not be lost and with no one to help you or care.

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u/RockyMntNole Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

That's the thing. If you want to live by the rules of the church, live by the rules of the church. If your catholic daughter gets raped at 12 and you want her to have that baby, by all means have that baby. Now don't tread on me with your biblical nursery rhymes, Christians. I believe in science and technology, and I have a right to protect my family from the ideals of rapists and child molesting priests.

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u/Funnyboyman69 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Wait why should their daughter suffer because they’re religious nut jobs though? I think that decision stops and ends with yourself. You shouldn’t have the right to dictate whether your 12yo has to carry her rapists baby and potentially die during child birth.

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u/flakemasterflake Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Parents have way too many rights over their children. Parents have the ability to make their minor, non voting, daughters carry a kid to term

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u/TheEldestScroll Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Two wrongs don't make a right? Why do I have the feeling that if he heard of a guy murdering his daughter's rapist he'd change his tune on that sentiment?

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u/Knifeman5000 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

If Tucker hasn't had a segment on it these guys don't know what to think yet.

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u/theoneandonly6558 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It's wrong because it's murder because I say it is!

Fuck this tool. Allowing the girl to terminate her pregnancy is helping to right the wrong done to her.

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u/notcheeng Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

That’s what I’ve been saying. In every civilized nation on earth murder is illegal and yet abortion is allowed to some extent in 98% of countries.. because it’s not murder

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u/CDB006_ Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Weird behavior to try and rationalize a 14 year rape victim keeping a child they’re not mentally and barely physically able to support.

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u/Corben11 Mormons are peeps Aug 17 '22 Gold

Hows this guy gonna have kids if we don’t allow it?

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u/GM_Timephone Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It's wild. Giving birth is, under the best of circumstances, a risk to your health and life. A 14 year old is absolutely not fully physically mature and so her risk of lifelong injury and death from giving birth is much higher. I don't understand why conservatives won't acknowledge how dangerous pregnancy is for women. Probably because a lot of them (like this dude) don't think women are people.

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u/LastOneSergeant Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Helpful Mind Blown

The historical context is really missing from these debates.

It wasn't until 1993 the last state made marital rape a crime.

Until 2012 you could still marry a 12 year old in Florida and Idaho.

In our lifetime adults were fucking minors who did not have the legal right to say no.

Even adult women didn't have the legal right to say no.

This year Tennessee wanted to end same sex marriage and the age limit.

The first spousal rape case didn't come until 1979, six years after Roe V. wade. That's an awful lot of pregnancies that were not legally a rape.

But really stop allowing people to use rape as a test.

Neither the state government or the church government should have a say in a private medical decision.

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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '22

Thank you for this.

Don't forget women couldn't even open a bank account without their husbands permission until thr late 1970s. Many women couldn't leave their abusive husband because they had no financial independence. I still have men telling me that women have had rights for 100 years and should stop complaining.

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u/bobswowaccount Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Remember when they were trying to pass universal healthcare and these same exact people were screaming about “death panels”? Look where they are now, telling women they can go die if they need an abortion.

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u/LastOneSergeant Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Sarah the half term governor is back on the ballot.

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u/boxofshroomies Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Child marriage is still legal in 44 states unfortunately, and even so, Florida and Idaho only instituted partial protection. It’s heartbreaking.

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u/Alagich3 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Helpful Starry

“I don’t think a murder fixes a rape” says man who knows he will never be raped and have to carry their rapist’s baby

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u/TheShtuff Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

And it's not even about "fixing" the rape. Nothing will fix that. It's about adding extreme insult to injury.

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u/Dark_Prism I used to be addicted to Quake Aug 17 '22

Also more injury. Pregnancy is very hard on a woman's body, and even more so on one that isn't fully grown yet.

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u/elizabethptp Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I had a c-section 10 years ago; I sneezed yesterday & experienced excruciating pain at my old incision site that did not subside for a while & it came back every time I coughed sneezed & it’s allergy season. Today it only twinges when I sneeze or laugh.

There is lifelong pain that goes along with many births & iirc most extremely young mothers will need a c-section to give birth.

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u/JewishFightClub Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I worked in x-ray and can unfortunately tell you that breaking the tailbone and ripping the pubis are also highly probable in bodies that small. That is not something that anyone should be forced to go through without full informed consent and it's fucking medieval that a bunch of gleeful fucking demons are cheering this on like they're the holy ones 🤢

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u/renaultfan98 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

More than just hard isn’t it much more likely to go wrong for someone that age to have a baby?

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u/Swingmerightround Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

If men could get pregnant there would be absolutely no debate. Abortion would be 100% legal for any reason.

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u/fruit_meat Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Legal and probably 100% covered in all circumstances.

"I dunno man, I woke up this morning and I was like, whoa, 9 months without beer is a long ass time."

"You said it bro. Right this way, the doctor will be with you shortly."

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u/Teeshirtandshortsguy Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

They'd have ads for that shit on TV.

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u/lifeson106 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

The very premise that aborting a fetus is equivalent to murder is absurd. If we can't even agree on that basic premise, we will never agree on higher-level questions based upon that premise.

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u/somedumbwelder Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Take My Energy

Fuck that guy.

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u/eggseverydayagain Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I would not recommend that in red states.

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u/somedumbwelder Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Well if he gets pregnant he might rethink his arguements.

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u/YDoiReadTheComments Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

No he will just want an exception made for him. It's not an outrage until it happens to me.

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u/Monteze Dire physical consequences Aug 17 '22

He clearly is against bodily autonomy, if you ever need blood or organs it's okay to take them. Sure assault is bad, but think if the life!!! Don't be so selfish and expect the law to get back or stop people from using your body bro

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u/Ok_Independent1356 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I'm still shocked that he had this guy on. Babylon Bee? What the fuck did he think he'd be getting into? I like that the guy made it clear that he thinks that children who are raped should carry out the pregnancy. It's now clear that it's not just a satire account. Fuck this guy.

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u/theredwoodcurtain Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Joe knows exactly what he is doing when he schedules his guests. This guy is popular among fans of Joes show.

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u/KrisWitha-C Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Yeah exactly. Just look at the comments in the YouTube clip he uploaded for this pod. Bunch of right wing nuts.

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u/Prestige_wrldwd Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Yeah I bet 80% of Babylon Bee’s followers also follow Rogan.

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u/notdrewcarrey Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I don't know this guy but was he ever asked if his own daughter were to be raped would he have the same stance?

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u/Jumpdeckchair Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

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u/MikeyFED Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I saw this episode come up and was like holy shit… he has the conservative onion / hard times on here.. it’s over.

I’m not sure how the rest of the episode went but I’m glad I saw this.

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u/empyreanmax Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Don't insult the onion/hard times by comparing them to that drivel

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u/asheronsvassal I used to be addicted to Quake Aug 17 '22 Helpful

Murder definitely fixes a rape.

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u/Beaneroo Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Eureka!

Murder the rapist and abort the fetus

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u/Memetron69000 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Abort the rapist

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u/DerpoholicsAnonymous Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Helpful

I wish Joe would have asked the dude if he thinks his 14 y.o. daughter should be executed in the hypothetical scenario where she aborts her rape baby.

Because that's the logical conclusion if you take what the "abortion is murder" people say at face value. Yet, somehow they're never made to answer this question.

No matter how you slice it, they're being dishonest. Either they don't really believe it's murder, and that's why they (at least most) aren't pushing for capital punishment. Or they do believe its murder but don't believe in justice. Or they do believe it should be punished with execution/life in prison but they aren't willing to say that publicly until the time is right.

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u/trouzy Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Take My Energy

Completely flip his last "point". "i dont think 2 wrongs make a right"

but 3 do? Wtf mate.

Punishing someone for getting out of a situation they were forced into by rape is one of the most fucked up things anyone can try to justify as a moral high ground.

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u/DoofusMcDummy Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

yeah he wasn't connecting the "wrongs" correlation. Should he pushed that as well, it's what i was thinking rape>"murder" (abortion)>murder(execution). how's that all calculate up to right?

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u/suninabox Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Completely flip his last "point". "i dont think 2 wrongs make a right"

but 3 do? Wtf mate.

"only god can take a life. That's why I'm going to execute you for having an abortion"

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u/hazeleyedwolff Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Silver

"I don't think a murder fixes a rape" is a glib dance that is an intentional distortion. If you and I go on a date, and it's going well, and you invite me back to your place, and things start getting physical, and you decide you want to stop and I persist, you are within your rights to defend yourself up to and including lethal force, and nobody would call it murder.

We have already codified legal killing as a defense against your body being used against your will. It's consistent to retain that.

Well over half of fertilized eggs don't become a baby. So choosing the rights of a hypothetical potential person over those of a living breathing human is absurd.

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u/34TH_ST_BROADWAY Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

He’d be fine with killing people over so many things.

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u/HellKnightoftheDamnd Targeted by downvote bots Aug 17 '22

"I don't think a murder fixes a rape"

I wonder what this guy's thoughts on the death penalty is...

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u/Indigocell Tremendous Aug 17 '22

I think we know the answer to that. In fact, I would not be surprised if he was in favor of the death penalty for a minor in that exact situation discussed.

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u/dunf13 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

But JESUS

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u/Mister_E_Phister Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Is a guy that never said anything about abortion and his dad was demonstrably cool with killing kids.

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u/EntertainedRUNot Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Psalms 137:9

“Happy is the one who seizes your infants / and dashes them against the rocks.”

But that's old testament god. New testament god is kinder, gentler and only had his son tortured to death.

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u/Kreiger81 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I know you're kidding but the fact of the matter remains that the only mention of literal abortion in the bible is specific instructions on how to force a possibly unfaithful wife to undergo go one.

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u/cityofgunra Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

This really is the best argument I’ve heard. I’m gonna mentally file this away

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u/Heisenburg_420 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I love how their argument is , “well there’s people born of rape that are thriving now.” And then they avoid discussing about the other side of the coin of where the child born of rape was abused/killed and the female victim falls into drug use or suicide. The argument is does anyone have the right to tell someone else if they have to carry an unwanted baby or not,, NOT is abortion murder.

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u/JackSparrow420 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

I cannot fucking stand that argument. It's essentially the same as "my mom almost aborted me, but I'm glad she didn't, and now I'm super important blah blah blah" 🤮

They are cherry picking features from two different timelines and incorrectly combining them to fit their own personal religious beliefs. The timeline where you are aborted is indifferent, because you never existed. Nobody cares either way. But in a timeline where you were born, (note the specific use of the word born here), of course people would be sad if you died. Of course, if you are alive, you don't want to die. Of course it would be wrong for someone to kill you.

So they take those facts and then apply them to the timeline where you never existed, and use that to say that a wrong choice was made because you don't exist in a timeline you never existed in. People are sad you never existed. They use this to prove the pro-life argument - "...and for those reasons, 14 year olds must carry a rapists child to term".

Also, typical pro-life behavior - when they are wrong, they backpedal into "abortion==baby murder" so they can create a fake moral high ground to get up on and look down on everyone else:

"Man it feels good to be moral. My god loves me and not them." - priest as he unzips his pants

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u/Heisenburg_420 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Right. We can see it now in Florida there’s a 16 year old the courts said was not “mature” enough to decide to get an abortion. Without even slightly mentioning that a 16 year old wouldn’t be “mature” enough to raise a child. Hypocritical to feed the poverty cycle that keeps the rich afloat .

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u/Sixtimezzz Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

These discussions are so uniquely american, as a European i cannot wrap my head around someone being against abortion after a rape, that’s so weird

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u/Lvl100Centrist Big Dick Monkey Aug 17 '22

religion is a hell of a drug

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u/vickzzzzz Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

dude thats the thing tho. cant we be religious and yet agree that this is evil. Its literally torture enough a 14 yr old kid gets raped, and on top of it you force and destroy the rest of her life thats left with raising a baby when she is sorta baby herself and fucked up from the rape? Thats fucking EVIL. Anyone who thinks thats normal is not a human being to me.

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u/plutonium-loveship Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

can't we be religious and yet agree that this is evil

Catholic Church says no.

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u/illusionist_undue Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

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u/josh_the_misanthrope Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Religion evidently messes with your ability to form a sane worldview, so no not really.

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u/TheEffinChamps Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

People who don't take the Bible "literally" are just further removed from it's moral instruction and benefit from our modern secular perspective.

If you actually point out everything dictated within the Bible, you realize that these people really don't believe all that much in it. The question then becomes, why even believe it at all?

Why not just throw that vile book out and use your own rationality, empathy, and judgement to make intelligent decisions about how to act morally?

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u/SayCheeseBaby Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

"It's nice to believe in something."

  • My coworker, after I asked them this exact question.

They find comfort in belonging to a group, and not having to think for themselves.

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u/NeverBeenOnMaury Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It was a 10 year old girl in ohio.

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u/Lvl100Centrist Big Dick Monkey Aug 17 '22

Yeah religious people can be made to acknowledge this as EVIL and I admit many do. Like there are many christians (and, surprisingly, way more muslims) who will admit that forcing a raped kid to give birth is evil.

So what? It doesn't really change their behavior. They have a short-lived emotional outburst and then they move on with their lives. They still vote for the same people. They still believe in the same shit. They have exactly the same worldview before and after. Nothing changes for them.

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u/appletinicyclone Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

and, surprisingly, way more muslims)

muslim here. pushing up against this

our views about abortion are very very different to christians

Abortion is allowed at earlier than 4 months, for cases of rape, threats to a womans life and deformity of the child. Time and extenuating circumstances are taken into consideration. yes some schools differ from others but It is much more relaxed than what the christians do.

there's also not a "this is what your baby could have been like" type horrorism inflicted on the pregnant woman before the abortion.

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u/Common_Frosting_6096 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

“As a European”…idk seems like there are a fair share of states that actually have more liberal abortion laws than some EU states

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u/Jolopy00 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 Gold

You might want to brush up on European abortion laws. From what I can find, about half of Europe doesn’t allow abortion after rape, once past the initial legal abortion time frame. Countries like France, Spain, and Italy are on that list.

France restricts abortions after 14 weeks as well

https://reproductiverights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/European-abortion-law-a-comparative-review.pdf

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u/ultra_prescriptivist Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

From what I can find, about half of Europe doesn’t allow abortion after rape, once past the initial legal abortion time frame.

Emphasis mine.

As long as they have their abortion carried out during the first trimester, which is when the vast majority of abortions are done anyway, they're all good.

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u/Sir_Green_Britches Paid attention to the literature Aug 17 '22

Your link includes the exceptions for health of the mother as well as broad applications of "social grounds". Depending on the country, that can include situations like poverty.

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u/-Canary-M-Burns We live in strange times Aug 17 '22 Heartwarming

Who gave Joe his balls back??

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u/readMyFlow Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

He’s ballsy when it comes to things he feels he knows well. Like mma, comedy etc. And he is a father to two girls which makes him sympathetic to all things women’s rights.

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u/Tantle18 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Yeah it’s the fact that he has two girls that I feel like he would argue this one to the death against anyone. And I couldn’t agree more with him

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u/V4refugee Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

The problem with conservatives is that they don’t care about an issue until it may personally affect them.

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u/Sloth_love_Chunk Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It's a bridge too far for some conservatives. My Mom (votes conservative), was horrified about the Roe vs Wade reversal. Like what the hell did you think would happen when you vote conservative??

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u/freakincampers Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

For decades the GOP said if given the chance they would get rid of RvW.

Did she expect they weren't?

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u/StrictlyFT Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

They believe it when the conservatives judges said under oath that Roe was settled law.

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u/Blitzdrive Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

He hasn't piped up much about Abbot and Desantis who are basically the two fucks who've ruined womens rights in this country.

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u/xkemex Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

He's has a fourteen year old that's why he's so emotional about it. I bet the person Joe's talking too doesn't have a daughter that's why he's pro life in this matter

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u/EntertainedRUNot Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

You don't need to have a daughter to be empathetic to a rape victim of any age or gender. I don't understand how a dude could be so far gone on this topic unless he's been thinking about or plans on raping a minor.

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

You do if you live in a bubble constructed by hypothetical arguments and no real people

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u/freakincampers Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

You don't need to have a daughter to be empathetic to a rape victim of any age or gender.

Conservatives don't care about something unless it personally affects them.

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u/tbwfree Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Hot Take maybe: Murder can prevent future rapes.

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u/TitaniumHwayt Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Man, this is the reason I watch Joe. You can see in his eyes everything left out the window, every shit he has to worry about when he's trying to speak may it be his contract, political shit or taking care of his guest - Joe was looking into this man's soul. I can't believe someone will IMPOSE to a child that "Welp, guess you're having that baby". We all love to shit on Joe but for fuck sake I hope majority of this sub agree with him on this one.

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u/Hangry_Hippo 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Aug 17 '22

These people are disgusting

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u/34TH_ST_BROADWAY Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

These people would get an abortion for a 10 year old in their family so fast if they were pregnant with a rapist’s baby.

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u/artificialnocturnes Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Yeah if you suport the castle doctrine where you can legally kill someone for being on your property but dont feel the same way about your literal uterus, you are a hypocrite

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u/Hangry_Hippo 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Aug 17 '22

Same with republicans becoming pro lgbt when their kid come out. They have no empathy for others

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u/slappymcstevenson Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I’ve come to the conclusion that people can be broken in to two categories, ones who can put themselves in other peoples shoes and the others can’t. The ones who can’t tend to be selfish and inward thinkers. A lot of the times they’re Republicans and there just is no reasoning with them because they will never get it.

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u/f-as-in-frank Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

christian conservative, what do you expect

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u/f-as-in-frank Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I can totally see this being the case. Sick shit.

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u/TruthPains I used to be addicted to Quake Aug 17 '22

Dude is an absolute twat. Who the fuck thinks like that? Yeah, of course we need to risk the victims life, health, entire future, and traumatize them further for my shitty opinion on this matter.

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u/90895 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

My conservative brother geniunely believes a victim of rape should carry the baby, even if the victim is a child.

When I brought up the case of the 10 year old having to go across state to have an abortion he said, "tough luck" with the most careless expression and shrug of the shoulders.

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u/SquareWet Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Rapists get to choose the mother of their children without her input.

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u/TDowsonEU Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Rogan looked & sounded like he was about to beat the fuck out of that guy. Hahahaha

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u/kenesisiscool Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It seemed pretty clear to me that Joe was imagining the situation he described. If one of his daughters got pregnant from a rape. That would make any parent highly hostile to someone like his guest.

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u/tucketnucket Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Bringing up people that have been born from rape is like bringing up the parents of school-shooting victims when talking about gun control. It's a disingenuous appeal to human emotion used to elicit an illogical response.

"You want to look this person in the eye and tell them they shouldn't have been born?"

No, I don't want to tell them that. However, it's the truth. If the mother didn't want to carry the child in question, she shouldn't have been forced to.

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u/Aperfectmoment High as Giraffe's Pussy Aug 17 '22

This is the fight I remember, this is the fight Joe probably remembers against the fundamentalists and the war hawks.

This is why people from Joe and my generation consider ourselves left leaning or liberal.

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u/MarcTurntables Tremendous Aug 17 '22

Yes yes yes.

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u/TurtlesReturn Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Imagine arguing about women or even little girls being forced to carry a baby of a rapist this guy is such a tool.

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u/Reddead500 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

If I had a daughter and some fucker raped her you’d best believe she ain’t keeping that fucking thing. I’m Common sense not left or right but cmon there are situations where abortions AFE A MUST . YOU DONT HAVE TO BE A SCIENTIST TO KNOW THAT . Fucking retards sell their lives to a political party instead of thinking with their brains .

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u/xImmortal3333 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Republicans would make her have the baby if you lived in a red state. Otherwise theyd lock her up

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u/Captcha_Imagination Aug 17 '22

Joe is pushing back because it affects him personally. He has a daughter that age so he will go to war for it. Ron DeSantis florida just denied a 16 year old an abortion because she has no parents yet Joe is pushing millions of impressionable young men into voting for him.

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u/suninabox Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

These fucks are free to support whatever shitty politicians will lower their taxes because they know they'll never be held accountable to the other shitty policies.

It's only poor people who are going to have to worry about not being able to travel 6 hours to an out of state abortion clinic.

It's only poor people who need to be worried about going to jail for marijuana.

It's only poor people who need to be worried about climate change destroying their lives.

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u/Rarely_Melancholy Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

It’s such an absolutely insane line of thinking dude. It’s crazy. Evangelicals are a plague

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u/queendabliss Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Wow who is that fucking guy. I need to catch up on JRE podcasts.

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u/FerdinandTheGiant Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I think he made Babylon Bee

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u/Another_Astro_Guy Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

He didn't start it, he's the CEO

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u/MrArmageddon12 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Idk, seems like a cock sucka though.

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u/IFlyOverYourHouse Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

He is the exact reason you don't need to catch up on JRE

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u/_picture_me_rollin_ Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

This guys point is so fucking retarded, nobody living would ever say, “they should have killed me”.

I have a daughter, the fact that she now lives in a world with less rights than her great grandma is beyond fucked.

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u/Dragonmk5 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I'm living would been fine not being born.

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u/7Sans Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Who the hell is this guest? How do you sit there and blurt that shit out?

Cant believe it

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u/GDMFusername Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

This guy argues from the position of a person who will never have to make the decision he wants to make for other people. I wish I could've heard him muster a counterpoint to that.

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u/emanforlife Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

this guy is trippin

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u/Scared_Command_9615 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Rape apologists desperately trying to defend his position by calling an underage victim a criminal aswell.

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u/LetItHappenNaturally Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Why the FUCK did he give this dork a platform to begin with?

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u/dfher34 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

The tech bro/intelligence agency guys got Joe on board with their political philosophy by disguising technocracy as meritocracy and drawing parallels to MMA to hook him but they're not very opinionated on things like abortion and drug legality so he can stray back towards his original beliefs with those topics. He will NOT step out of line, in terms of picking on Biden/Kamala and underhandedly praising GOP figures like Trump and DeSantis whenever he gets the opportunity.

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u/sqigl Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Religion is holding our civilisation back from prospering

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u/BillyHamzzz Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Someone should take this guy, illegally force a sex change and impregnate him, then see how he feels about having to give birth after all that...

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u/MiketheImpuner Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

TIL Joe Rogan can hit a softball. My life is in no way better.

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u/fuzztooth Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

This is what actual pushback against conservative christian fascism looks like. He should push back more against these insane people.

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u/stevenw84 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

That dude believes the 14 year old should carry the rape baby.

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u/cindyyourasslooksfat Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

What an absolute tit. Good on joe for not letting that fly you could hear he got serious when he pictured that girl being his daughter.

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u/pparana80 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

I'd like to see this guy raise the child of his (hypothetical) 12 year old daughter who was raped.

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u/dotcomslashwhatever Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

what a fucking fruit!

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u/BigPhatHuevos Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Another scumbag that wants to control other people's lives.

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u/Ethernovan 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Aug 17 '22

Who is this fucking nobody, this fucking nothing

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u/Cucch96 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Miss the old joe . Wish he would go out it with him just like he did with crowder. Even though that exchange was a little cringe , it still showed a side that joey was willing to fight for his beliefs.

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u/RoutineImaginary2895 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

"I don't think two wrongs make a right"

This fucking guy!

I'm so happy to inform you we don't do things based off of what you think ass hole!

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u/SaltLife0118 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

That guy likes 14 year olds.

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u/Eilidh111 Monkey in Space Aug 17 '22

Imagine telling a child born of rape they shouldn't have been allowed to live? Okay. I was born of a rape. Later put in the system and adopted. When I found my biological mother as an adult I thanked her for allowing me to live because I understood, still do, that it must have been very difficult for her. I was the product of rape and strongly believe women should have the right to choose. This man has no idea what he's talking about.