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Heath Ledger's response to homophobia at a Brokeback Mountain press conference made me love him even more. LGBT+

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u/sonalperera Sep 24 '22 Facepalm

I miss him :(

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u/nongo Sep 24 '22 Defeated

Can’t believe he was only 28 when he died.

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u/thoracicbunk Sep 24 '22

He is probably the only celebrity I'm still genuinely sad about leaving us so soon. He was so skilled, and seemed to be a genuinely good person. He had just reached a new level of skill and accomplishment too.

Death by RX drugs is a scourge on society and far, far too common.

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u/Hidatsu Sep 24 '22

I definitely miss him, but I want to add that for me I also miss Robin Williams and Chester Bennington terribly. All of them are missed by so many.

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u/xa3D Sep 24 '22

I never got the deal with people getting emotionally affected by celebrity deaths. Then Robin died, and i was like "hmm. Ok i guess i kinda get it" then chester died and i was legit crying...

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u/sumptin_wierd Sep 24 '22

I have no idea if you've seen this but it's worth a view either way

https://youtu.be/_sXrTpOVnak

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u/arriflex Sep 24 '22

We were discussing dead actors at work the other day and I realized we never got a Bill Murray/Robin Williams movie. This made me very sad.

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u/Imabigfatbutt Sep 24 '22

Anton Yelchin I get extremely sad every time I see him in something, I got legitimately choked up when I heard, such a senseless way to go

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u/sumptin_wierd Sep 24 '22

Odd Thomas is fantastic

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u/Chuseauniqueusername Sep 24 '22

i have a hard time watching stuff he was in because i'm still not over it. i can't. so talented and cool

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u/KakkaKarrot Sep 24 '22

It's also an important reminder that putting the transmission in 'park' really isn't enough for any sort of incline

Fortunately I have noticed more modern cars are implementing an automatic parking brake when you turn park and off the ignition

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u/frozt Sep 24 '22

Steve Irwin left us too soon 😭

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u/Big-Soil4403 Sep 24 '22

Me too! I really need him back in my life. Off to watch 10 things I hate about you and cry now. 😭

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u/TFlarz Sep 24 '22

A Knight's Tale for me.

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u/brandognabalogna Sep 24 '22

That movie has no right being as good as it is. It's just so fucking good.

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u/daviator88 Sep 24 '22

Really shows how important a tight script is

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u/Cheskaz Sep 24 '22

"I will eviscerate you in fiction. Every pimple, every character flaw. I was naked for a day; you will be naked for eternity."

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u/WesternOne9990 Sep 24 '22

I’ve heard this term before but I never really knew what it meant can you elaborate? Also love the movie

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u/PJballa34 Sep 24 '22 Facepalm

Legends never die. RIP Heath.

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u/rhydy Sep 24 '22 Facepalm

I love seeing people deal with terrible offensive crap, by being articulate and cool as a cucumber

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u/Aduro95 Sep 24 '22

I feel like you'd enjoy some of the controversy around the Good Omens tv adaptation. There was a petition in which thousands of people demanded Netflix cancel it on religious grounds. Netflix pretended they agreed, which was hilarious since its an Amazon/BBC thing.

Meanwhile the people who had actually read the books/seen the show were debating politely between: "Its a love story, but they protagonists are not human and do not experience love and sex as humans do" and "Crowley and Aziraphale are incredibly gay, this is a gay love story" while others presumably made quite a lot of erotic fanart.

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u/Ridara Sep 24 '22

Forgive my ignorance. You mean to say their issue was with the super-tasteful homosexuality? Not the blatant "the demon a good guy and the angel is morally grey?"

Like... what?

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u/ItsTheManFromScene24 Sep 24 '22

Unfortunately it doesn't really work against people who think being right just means being louder

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u/pls_tell_me Sep 24 '22

The key is to not care if "it doesn't work" for some people, you just make your point, it's logical an understandable, and that's it.

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u/rhydy Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

It's really important for us to engage with people who have different ideas and opinions to us. Through discussion at least one of us will learn something. Opinions and preconceptions can be changed. Or we learn how to express the idea or opinion better. However, yes some people don't engage in good faith in discussions. In that case don't argue (or play chess) with pigeons. "Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Ledger stayed at his level in this example. He made some people think. Some of those learned something.

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u/_game_over_man_ Sep 24 '22

Neither does yelling and being angry at those people. What they want is the fight and the confrontation because they live in that space and it makes them feel validate to receive it back.

People like that are never going to change and we should stop wasting our time giving a shit about changing them. They can die miserable, for all I care.

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u/LaconicMan Sep 24 '22

I dunno, sometimes you have to tell someone to fuck off’

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u/_game_over_man_ Sep 24 '22

I am all for that. I just don’t see the necessity to get into shouting matches over these issues with people. Don’t have the time nor the energy.

I also think “fuck off” can be delivered in a non-angry tone and I think it’s the most any of those types deserve.

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u/Spector567 Sep 24 '22 Silver Dread

I still remember one of my old bosses response to the movie from 20 years ago.

His wife suggested it for a movie night at the theatre. Had dinner. Went to the movies.

Left the movie and said he felt tricked by his wife.

Because he thought it was a cow boy movie. It wasn’t because they were gay. He thought he was seeing a shooting western.

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u/Lexi_Banner Sep 24 '22

That's kind of adorable. "I don't care if the two had sex, but they never even showed one tumbleweed rolling past!"

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u/Spicy_Sugary Sep 24 '22

So in between grappling with the ever present danger of their forbidden love being exposed to an unwelcoming world, they could have taken the time to lassoo a few varmints and restore justice?

That's a movie needing to be made.

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon Sep 24 '22

Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but I thought the movie sucked because it was just boring.

Like, if he was pining over some random woman... I strongly believe the movie would've been widely panned. I still don't understand why people love it. What similar romance crap was actually popular as a movie in the past 20 years?

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u/bpd52 Sep 24 '22

Personal opinion - the short story it’s based on by Annie Proulx in her collection Close Range is incredible. That entire book is a short story masterpiece that - if you like reading and you like the West - you’ll probably love. Give it a shot.

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon Sep 24 '22

Will do! Thanks for the tip

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u/nonicethingsforus Sep 24 '22

Never even crossed my mind that this could be based on a book. Very different from the kind of contemporary written fiction that makes it into the big screen (fantasy, YA, thrillers, etc.), at least in my experience.

Thanks a lot for the recommendation!

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u/Bashful_Rey Sep 24 '22

Hetero romance movies they don’t have to hide their relationship, yea in a vacuum it would be boring as far as that goes. The struggle of actually having the relationship was the interesting part

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u/adamthebarbarian Sep 24 '22

I mean they don't have to hide the fact they're hetero, sure, but hiding romance due to forbidden love is hardly a new trope.

It was just very talked about due to the fact it was an openly gay relationship in a widely released movie, between two cowboys, played by two very famous actors.

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u/Useful_Ground_9954 Sep 24 '22

I mean… that’s my opinion on any romance movie. Movies that are strictly romance, not romantic comedy, not romantic action, but purely just romance are dull to me. I felt that way about titanic, 50 shades, the notebook… etc. I learned that’s a genre that will never strike a cord with me. Although it was fun to watch the titanic sink. That’s what Brokeback mountain needed.

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u/pblol Sep 24 '22

I feel the same, but someone eventually forced me to watch some of the "Before" movies and I enjoyed those, if mostly for the novelty.

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u/cantadmittoposting Sep 24 '22

Yeah I don't recall much about it but... That's ... Kinda the problem?

It was a moment for what it was, when it came out.

I don't think it's a very good movie though?

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u/eveninghawk0 Sep 24 '22 Silver

Hard disagree - just speaking for me. I found it thoughtful, beautiful visually and also in its soundtrack, with exceptional performances. So much more than plot. And also stories don't really work that way for me. A gay cowboy story (to put it crudely) has tension and edge and fear and difficulty and danger and passion that a straight story with adultery just doesn't have. There's a lot of nuance and depth - and so much more than script and plot to a film.

Every story has been told. Maybe thousands of times. What are the new stories? It's all about the how to me, the telling, the specifics, the small motions and nuances and tensions. And the pure visual beauty of the film. I agree that it moves slowly, in inches and glances. Though that's part of the appeal for me.

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u/ButeoJamaicensis- Sep 24 '22

Titanic and the Notebook are two massively popular romance movies in different decades

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon Sep 24 '22

Titanic was a disaster movie, and not in the last 20 years. The romance part of the movie sucked IMO.

Never saw The Notebook, but looking at this list makes me think that I just really don't like romance movies unless they're also actually hilarious in ways that aren't about the romance: When Harry Met Sally, My Big Fat Greek Wedding.

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u/moeburn Sep 24 '22

Yeah it didn't really move me, and at first I thought "well that's just cause I'm a straight guy and I'm not into romance let alone gay romance", but then I saw the John Turturro/Christopher Walken romance in Severance, and that moved me. Two souls, in love, didn't even matter that they were gay, I felt what they were feeling. It's really good:

https://youtu.be/XyhksyAGCkA?t=401

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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Sep 24 '22

Like, if he was pining over some random woman... I strongly believe the movie...

Two people loving each other should be boring to everyone else. But it was not. The movie was designed for you to question the "why not".

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u/WideHelp9008 Sep 24 '22

It was so slow. I felt like I was watching a foreign film at all movie festival only very kewl people would go to. I have ADHD. It was torture.

I liked it because it was the first time that I saw people who were just working class people doing what you gotta do to get by and it turned out they were bisexual. I can relate to that. This isn't some sexed up mockery of bisexuality Hollywood has cooked up to scare and titillate Middle America. They were only people and they fell in love.

That's how it was for me when I realized that I wasn't straight. I was just living my life going to kindergarten and learning my phonix as best I could, and all the sudden Laura looks awful damn cute and gosh isn't Thomas great too...Then life moves forward and you're still a working class average Joe. Maybe the pace of the movie was slow because life is slow and punctuated by moments of excitement but mostly slow.

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u/Isthisworking2000 Sep 24 '22

Pshh, have you no sentimentality at all?

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon Sep 24 '22

No, I do -- I love good romance, but I don't think that romance in itself is usually a great plotline. If the point of a story is "will they/won't they" I don't understand the draw.

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u/Tooblicker Sep 24 '22

I'm curious what actual gay people felt about it. I never watched it because I'm not gay and a gay romance is as interesting to me as gay porn. Not every film needs to be made for me and that's fine, but I get the feeling Hollywood didn't consider gay men to be the #1 market when they made this.

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u/mangobearsmoothie Sep 24 '22

So I also felt tricked by the movie, but for a very different reason.

I remember planning to see it when it started showing in the UK, but I was worried it was too sad. I asked a friend who had already seen it, and he assured me it had a happy ending.

That, my friends, was a sodding lie. I remember sitting through the final part thinking “Is there going to be a final twist to make it happy?”

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u/cookletube Sep 24 '22

That is brutal

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u/Isthisworking2000 Sep 24 '22

Tragedy is the oldest of genres.

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u/mangobearsmoothie Sep 24 '22

No - the dude was just being a dick and giving me the wrong answer to mess with me!

I won’t spoil anything because it really is a wonderful movie, and it’s worth watching. Just… don’t expect a happy ending

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u/UKMX Sep 24 '22

To be fair i'd be pissed if I was told I was seeing a western and it turned out to be a romance

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u/DaisyDuckens Sep 24 '22

I’ve always called westerns romances for men because a lot of them have love stories.

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u/tallandlanky Sep 24 '22

Not even just Westerns. Seems like lot's of 'action' movies deem it appropriate to include unnecessary romance subplots.

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u/Georgie_Leech Sep 24 '22

Yeah, but that's less romance and more "and then the hero totally gets the girl because he's the bestest of them all."

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u/ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW Sep 24 '22

Well when you're as buff as Arnold you better be gettin laid at the end

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u/TDS_Gluttony Sep 24 '22

Funnily enough in T2 and Predator it was never about him getting the girl lol.

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u/ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW Sep 24 '22

Well I definitely misread predator

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u/whatisthishappiness Sep 24 '22

That’s why in all the best action flicks, the family is murdered in the beginning

Except the Bourne movies, those are just the fkin best

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u/Don_Quixote81 Sep 24 '22

Well, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is absolutely a romance between two men. It's just (as far as we can tell) a platonic one. Although Katherine Ross being in love with both of them adds a little bit of spice.

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u/Strawbuddy Sep 24 '22

Right? If you expected the new 3:10 to Yuma but got The Piano instead you’d likely feel tricked as well

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u/Solidus-Snake- Sep 24 '22

Just like if you thought you were sitting down to watch The Piano but watched The Piano Teacher instead.

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u/lobut Sep 24 '22

I remember going to the cinema to see an action movie called "After the Sunset" but I think I bought tickets to a movie called "Before Sunset" but didn't know it.

I thought it was an infomercial but it kept going. My friends and I were like "what did we just see?" And we found two older gentleman staring at the "After the Sunset" poster outside after the movie wondering what happened.

I think Before Sunset was a decent film, but the fact I was anticipating an action flick threw me off.

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u/The_BromanEmpire Sep 24 '22

Is that the Ethan hawke movie?

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u/Spector567 Sep 24 '22

I thought it was a fair response as well.

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u/Front_Criticism7954 Sep 24 '22

Reminds me of the time my girlfriend took me to the theathre to watch magic mike and I expected some magician movie like now you see me. I was pretty disappointed and I was like the only male in the entire cinema.

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u/foxiez Sep 24 '22

I saw it and liked it but not gonna lie I'd be really thrown for a loop if i thought I was watching an actiony/shootout movie and they started making out lol

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u/LetsHaveARedo Sep 24 '22

I brought my Dad to it when I was like 16 and the same thing happened with him.

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u/Reutermo Sep 24 '22

I also remember being rather bored by the movie. I had no issue with the romance, but I did feel that it was so slow and nothing happend in it.

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u/jemidiah Sep 24 '22

He must have been pissed when those "cowboys" started herding sheep!

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u/smutketeer Sep 24 '22

"They're not cowboys! They're itinerant ranch hands!" - Larry McMurtry

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u/hercarmstrong Sep 24 '22

We lost a real one when he passed.

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u/bigmamabell Sep 24 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

“It’s a story of two human beings, two souls in love. Get over the fact that it’s two men. The movie is not a story about an epidemic, a virus, or something that can be cured in hospital. We’re showing that love between two men is just as emotional, strong and pure as heterosexual love. And if you can’t understand and that, just don’t go see the movie. It’s okay, we don’t care.”

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u/JacksonCM Sep 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Big mama saw a need and fixed it

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u/huhzonked Sep 24 '22

That was a beautiful response and thank you for making it a little easier to read for my bum eyes.

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u/InfectedByEli Sep 24 '22

bum eyes.

Pun intended, naturally.

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u/Thuper-Man Sep 24 '22

He was actually talking about the Dark Knight

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u/JamesG162 Sep 24 '22 Defeated

One of the greatest actors ever to not solidify his legacy. Moviegoers lost a great actor way too early. I wish he would of gotten the help he needed before he met his fate

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u/UncleCornPone Sep 24 '22

I saw that movie with a friend of mine who was a total homophobe and he literally COULD NOT understand this very idea that i expressed after seeing it. He, of course, had to make all the expected jokes as we left, but I was very moved, and told him so, much to his concern LOL.

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u/JeSuisUnChinchilla Sep 24 '22

Heath Ledger was a tragic loss to humanity. Rest in Power.

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u/cleoginger Sep 24 '22

white font is unbearable

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u/BlameTheMeepits Sep 24 '22

This is also true.

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u/Icantbethereforyou Sep 24 '22 Helpful

If you can't understand white font then just don't see it. It's OK we don't care

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u/ZotesPreceps Sep 24 '22

Sorry but I’ll never believe that a white font is as emotional, pure or strong as a black font.

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u/CourageousChronicler Sep 24 '22

What if it's a white font with a crispy black outline? Best of both worlds?

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u/SomethingPersonnel Sep 24 '22

I think it’s actually off-white.

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u/AwayCable7769 Sep 24 '22

No actually. Impure-white, to be exact.

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u/jacksnsticks05 Sep 24 '22

unreadable, even

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u/Prettay-good Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

Ironically, Annie Proulx (author of Close Range, the novel which this movie was based on) had kind of an opposite view. The filmmakers wanted it to be a love story. She wanted it to shine a light on homophobia in society. Ultimately, she regretted it being made into a film.

She said: “It‘s just been the cause of hassle and problems and irritation. I wish I’d never written the story. Before the film it was alright. But they can’t understand that the story isn’t about Jack and Ennis. It’s about homophobia; it’s about a social situation; it’s about a place and a particular mindset and morality.”

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u/Pissedliberalgranny Sep 24 '22

But…. That’s exactly what I got from the movie. A sad story of two people being forced to live a lie because homophobia was so ingrained in their society.

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u/AntipopeRalph Sep 24 '22

That’s pretty much why Ang Lee was the perfect director for it too. When his work is excellent, it’s about characters that can’t be their true authentic selves - but still seek to be themselves.

I get why he was drawn to Bruce Banner/Hulk TBH…but he wasn’t quite the right director for superhero stuff.

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u/Prettay-good Sep 24 '22

tbh, I think the bigger issue was that the filmmakers tried to rewrite a lot of her story until it basically became something else.

https://time.com/3648650/brokeback-mountain-annie-proulx/

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u/spurgeonb36 Sep 24 '22

Just a decent man being a decent man. I would have been insulting people. Not part of the club, still support. Much love.

Also, he met my goal in death. My father told me that the only thing that matters is that when you die, you're remembered as a good man.

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u/Chris-CFK Sep 24 '22 Wholesome Doom

guess I'll post the link as no one has bothered..

https://youtu.be/VpHR1nZ7FsE

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u/SpikeStarwind Sep 24 '22

Thank you, I scrolled all the way down so I could hear it from Heath Ledger instead of a picture of him.

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u/elynwen Sep 24 '22

I followed Heath Ledger’s career since Roar, back in the 90’s. Seeing him here is like twisting a knife. I’ll miss him, always.

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u/mackinoncougars Sep 24 '22 Defeated

Reminder to vote to keep gay marriage legal. It’s on the chopping block needs our help.

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u/ThisIsntYogurt Sep 24 '22

Ang Lee's best film IMO. Perhaps Ledger's as well.

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u/lawdoggingit Sep 24 '22

Ledger I agree with (even if the Joker is amazing and iconic). I go Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon tho for Lee.

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u/_TakeaChillPill Sep 24 '22

I prefer his historical documentary about medieval times, personally.

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u/KittenSpronkles Sep 24 '22

Yup Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is in my top 3 movies. It's so good, and I remember seeing previews thinking it would be dumb af

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u/ReginaldWindsor Sep 24 '22

Such a strong, empathetic, and altruistic response. Being direct and succinct in speech and text is something many people lack the ability to do.

He was a gem and a celebrity I truly wish was still with us. Being prescribed six medications for anxiety, pain, sleep, and depression can be a tragedy waiting to happen.

I recently listened to a three hour long podcast with a former senior pharmaceutical rep and his insight alarmed me. The underhanded tactics and off script uses to get the drugs to sell more in the US, even though there are safer and more effective treatments for specific illnesses was alarming. One of them was Oxy, which was in Heath's system. Hydrocodone as well.

So sad.

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u/5170Wallace Sep 24 '22

I didn’t much enjoy it as a film, but I appreciate what it did in terms of defying norms. Such a shame that so much of the discourse around it was fucked up by homophobia. Some people really need to get their heads out of their asses.

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u/SeasonPositive6771 Sep 24 '22

It's absolutely ridiculous that people are still making "gay jokes" based on this movie today. It's also heartbreaking seeing how the backlash against society progressing is attempting to move us back.

Ezra Klein did a horrifying interview with a conservative "thought leader" who wants to make it more difficult for people to get divorced and much harder to live lifestyles in any way other than how they approve. Twenty years ago they would have been seen as extremists. Now he has a national platform, and it's all in the open.

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u/InfectedByEli Sep 24 '22

and it's all in the open.

Personally, I think more self repressed gay Republicans should come out into the open and stop hating themselves.

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u/Shadywhack Sep 24 '22

Ironically this movie had a shit ton of hetero sex scenes. People that wanted to gripe about gay sex might've literally had 45 seconds of gay sex in the entire movie. This movie was about relationships, with sexual orientation as a story dynamic, not a focus.

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u/Weird_Candle_1855 Sep 24 '22

Hey now, careful with that focus on understanding the intent behind the movie. It's the gay cowboy movie, obviously it's just about a different type of riding 😤😤

Great movie though

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u/TheRealSugarbat Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22 Wholesome Defeated Facepalm

I miss him.

Edit: Wait — why did I get the Facepalm award?

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u/FredTheRed10 Sep 24 '22 Defeated

People on Reddit are shitty. Just do you king/queen.

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u/TheRealSugarbat Sep 24 '22

🥰

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u/longhegrindilemna Sep 24 '22 Wholesome

Don’t let it get to you.

You’re driving the car, don’t give the steering wheel to some random stranger. Drive the car.

You’re allowed to miss people.

I don’t underdtand the facepalm award either.

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u/SpikesEvilTwin Sep 24 '22

It's too bad that the Academy, whose membership is predominantly 60+ year old white str8 males couldn't get over the subject matter and given it the best picture Oscar.

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u/Ad___Nauseam Sep 24 '22

The final shot of the movie is one of the saddest I’ve ever seen. The pan from him sat in his trailer to the mirror on the door revealing the empty prairie. Fantastic movie making.

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u/Isthisworking2000 Sep 24 '22

And it was a fantastic movie, too.

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u/grimlet Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

Great response! I had the same feeling when I saw "call me by your name" for the first time. I saw 2 person that loved each other.

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u/BlameTheMeepits Sep 24 '22

A legend gone too soon.

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u/shaodyn Sep 24 '22

If you don't like something in a movie, just don't watch it. You don't have to tell everyone else not to watch it either.

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u/Haunting-Service-652 Sep 24 '22

I just loved the soundtrack! Divine Santaolala!

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u/bro_d8 Sep 24 '22

If you didn't cry at the scene with the shirt, you might be missing a heart. Every time. I know the shirt is going to be there and every time it rips me to shreds.

RIP Heath.

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u/Equivalent_Top_2621 Sep 24 '22

Out of all the people I've ever met and never will. I miss him the most

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u/cm_fanelli Sep 24 '22

God I miss him

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u/Pissedliberalgranny Sep 24 '22

I was so saddened by his death. The only other “celebrity” death that effected me this much was Harry Chapin.

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u/SnooHamsters567 Sep 24 '22

what an absolute chad

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u/ventingpurposes Sep 24 '22

I wonder if we would hear screeching about wokeness if this movie was released today.

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u/54B3R_ Sep 24 '22

It's some of the same people screaming

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u/TheOvy Sep 24 '22

They screamed it at the time, they just didn't have the term "woke" yet. They had other epithets... LGBTQ representation has always been a long and difficult fight against intolerance.

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u/ventingpurposes Sep 24 '22

I know that, I just wonder if this plot would be deemed "woke" and "with unnecessary LGBT elements"

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u/Electrical-Topic-808 Sep 24 '22

Yes… if it has any of those elements the crowd you’re on about would complain and say it’s woke

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u/unnecessary_kindness Sep 24 '22

Yes but however the movie itself would be far less impactful today as it was back then.

I really doubt it would be making national news and be in the mainstream thought for as long as it was back then. I guess that shows we're making progress.

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u/toriemm Sep 24 '22

I don't care but why are you rUbBiNg iT iN mY fAcE. I just don't want to have to sEE iT.

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u/Heliocentrist Sep 24 '22

why is this downvoted, it's a legitimate question?

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u/VanEagles17 Sep 24 '22

It's not a legitimate question, this movie was openly mocked when it came out. So I don't really know what point they're trying to make lol.

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u/zoinkability Sep 24 '22

I think they are trying to point out that “wokeness” concern trolling is just the same old thing draped in new clothes

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u/confessionbearday Sep 24 '22

He's reminding folks that the same people airing their utterly invalid opinion at the time still do so today. And you can tell its invalid because of the terminology.

Nobody crying about things being woke has a valid opinion on anything they should ever waste a real adults time with.

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u/BBQcupcakes Sep 24 '22

Providing additional information doesn't invalidate a question retroactively lmao

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

"Two hetero actors playing gay? Why couldn't two gay actors be cast" ~ some whiney person.

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u/SuperArppis Sep 24 '22 Facepalm

I didn't find the movie that interesting. But I think it was good that it was made.

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u/AntipopeRalph Sep 24 '22

Legit. It was a novella expanded into a 3hr film.

I enjoyed the slow pacing, but a different kind of preference could have easily found it very dull.

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u/NekomiSon Sep 24 '22

I love Brokeback Mountain and the actors.

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u/Mother-Dish348 Sep 24 '22

Every time I see non joker Ledger I am shocked at how handsome he really is

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u/Doobz87 Sep 24 '22

Every time I see him as the Joker I have to remind myself what he actually looks like without the makeup. That was such a good makeup job it literally looks nothing like him lol

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u/BassSounds Sep 24 '22

Somehow Crash won the major awards that year over Brokeback Mountain

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u/Lucy_Lastic Sep 24 '22

I still miss him :-(

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u/ArchSchnitz Sep 24 '22

This movie came out during a time I was actively trying to unwork my own homophobia. As a result, I saw the movie and then sought out, purchased and read the novella it's based on.

Interestingly, I will go down swinging that... the movie is better. There is a greater nuance and subtlety in Ledger and Gyllenhaal's performance that the written form didn't quite capture. Both are good, the movie is much better.

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u/Jason-Knight Sep 24 '22

So wholesome would love to meet him one day

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u/Makabaer Sep 24 '22

Maybe just wrong phrasing but maybe you really don't know: sadly he's long gone.

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u/-Richard_Harrow- Sep 24 '22

It's sad that he deprived us of his presence and talents far too soon.

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u/BlueLeatherBucket Sep 24 '22

One of the best movies ever made.

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u/TheGreatQ-Tip Sep 24 '22

Whenever I hear about this movie I can't help but think about this quote from James Somerton; "It's so made by straight people that they didn't even realize that having anal sex after eating beans isn't a good idea."

No judgement towards the movie or the people that made it, I've never even seen it, but that quote will always be funny to me.

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u/mr_jasper867-5309 Sep 24 '22

It's a shame what happened to Heath, he genuinely seemed like a good human being.

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u/Royal-Application708 Sep 24 '22

Perfect responses.

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u/Tuna_Sushi Sep 24 '22

Terrible font.

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u/EconomyAd4297 Sep 24 '22

No prob w two dudes in love, except they both cheated on their wives, so, that’s not cool.

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u/confictura_22 Sep 24 '22

Yeah, so many people are besotted by their "beautiful love story", but I mostly just felt bad for their families when I watched it. I understand that, especially at the time, they couldn't have an open relationship themselves, which makes it tragic but...I just really despise cheating.

I felt similarly about The Notebook, she cheated on her fiance, she could have at least given him a phone call to end things before betraying him. Cheating ruins romance dammit.

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u/ObiWanCombover Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

While I agree with you on cheating, I do think the situation is pretty extenuating. They can't be out, and frankly I doubt either of the characters were even meant to fully understand their own sexualities before discovering each other (i.e. repressing any urges they might have had and convincing themselves they were straight because that was the norm).

It did go on for a long time and that's terrible for the wives, but it's also really hard to realistically see how they could have known ahead of time. The amount of unconscious brainwashing that happens in society is hard to fight, I think a lot of people are less straight than they realize but for the most part we all grow up being expected to be straight by default which is pretty powerful. And at the time the film is set it would be pretty unspeakable to be gay. I think the story very intentionally draws in the tragedy of the supporting characters and the conflict of the protagonists as well. It's just overall very sad.

ETA: been a long time since I saw it and thinking about it more I think Jake Gyllenhaal's character might have been painted more as knowing his sexuality more, but even so I think there's just extreme pressure to conform. The perfect solution would be remaining single of course, but treating them as real, imperfect people that probably want their straight marriages to magically work, I still can empathize.

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u/confictura_22 Sep 24 '22

Oh, I think their actions are understandable for sure. I don't think it excuses them, but that's not what the story was trying to do anyway from memory (it's been a long time since I watched it). It wasn't my cup of tea but I still thought the movie was very well done and evoked a lot of important discussion. It shows complex characters who are sympathetic even while engaging in morally reprehensible acts (to be clear, the cheating, not the gay sex itself!). It was powerful commentary on the society that led them to that choice and the importance of having a society that accepts those of all sexualities.

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u/Runrunrunagain Sep 24 '22

There were some openly gay people at the time. And many people who had "roommates" or something to that effect. Yes the hostility towards gay people was cruel and unjust and made their lives very difficult. That doesn't excuse the type of behaviour shown by both gay men in the movie.

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u/confictura_22 Sep 24 '22

It doesn't excuse their actions, no. An actor undertaking immoral actions isn't necessarily the movie condoning those actions though. A story can show morally reprehensible things and still be a good story without endorsing such things. I didn't personally enjoy the movie, but I think it's a well-done movie that brings up lots of strong feeling on both sides, which is a sign of a powerful piece of art.

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u/Broken_Petite Sep 24 '22

Unfortunately there are plenty of real adult homophones as well. One of them is my father.

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u/OnePunchReality Sep 24 '22

Heer heer. Screw homophobia. And all the ignorant fools who hate against others they can't, don't or won't understand. Intolerance vs your own beliefs is toxic. Live and let live. Or just butt out and fuck off.

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u/crumbshotfetishist Sep 24 '22

That’s beautiful. Love is the perfect response to hate.

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u/1030Bloor3770 Sep 24 '22

There is no taboo in love.

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u/f_ranz1224 Sep 24 '22

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u/Legacy_1_X Sep 24 '22

I loved that guy not just because of his amazing acting but because of his attitude. He spoke truth and not by insulting people. He said see it if you want or not instead of the popular trend lately of "if you don't go see my movie you are insert slur here."

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u/Street_Mood Sep 24 '22

Well if You want to take one aspect of the film and make it about that, that’s your perspective.

Is the Hulk about a guy who should def go to “Anger Management Classes” sure but that’s not the point now is it?

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u/sciencesnob Sep 24 '22

Im bi but hate this movie. All I see is cheating.

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u/UncleCornPone Sep 24 '22

Sounds like youre seeing it from 2022 and not 1960-whatever

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u/ikcuts Sep 24 '22

That's kind of the point of the movie tho? They were expected as men in the 60s to have a wife. They also fought against their own feelings by trying to "correct" themselves. Ennis was afraid of being killed cause he saw it as a kid. I think the cheating is essential.

But yes I understand why someone would hate the cheating. Non-bi people may watch it and subconsciously think all bi people are cheaters. But the thing is we don't know Ennis' or Jack's sexuality, they never explicitly state it.

If any movie gets a pass for "bi" cheating it's this one. As opposed to another one of Jake's movies (Velvet Buzzsaw 🤮) that has bi cheating for NO REASON.

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u/archiminos Sep 24 '22

Exactly. Even to this day there are still gay men who feel forced into marrying "beards" because society won't get over the fact that it's possible for two men to love each other. Things are getting better in Western countries, but it's still an issue all over the world.

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u/SeasonPositive6771 Sep 24 '22

I'm curious how old you are, And I wonder how that affects how people see the movie. I've found that younger people see the cheating and older people see men that made terrible mistakes and hurt people along the way but were forced to try to conform to heterosexual norms to survive, but did their best and found love where they could. The tragedy wasn't just in the ending, it was in the fact that they live in a world or so few other stories felt possible.

That's from me, it's been so long since I've seen it but I felt torn. Not as absolute and black and white about it but definitely seeing them for the flawed people they were.

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u/jteprev Sep 24 '22

The movie never claims it's ok either, in fact it takes pains to show how much the whole thing victimizes their wives too.

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u/SemiAuto-Hello Sep 24 '22

still haven’t seen it