r/NoStupidQuestions Sep 24 '22

Would Putin death stop the war?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

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u/redrumWinsNational Sep 24 '22

Is OP asking for a friend or does he have a plan ?

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u/Alarmed_Scientist_15 Sep 25 '22

I hope he has a plan.

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u/pikey181 Sep 25 '22

The man has a plan!

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u/Luckbot Sep 24 '22

This. There is no clear candidate who would be Putins successor. A decade ago it would clearly have been Medwedew, but now Putin is alone at the peak with several people further down.

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u/ovicash Sep 24 '22

He removed all competitors from other parties and his own. Nobody knows anything what happens when he’s out. Eventually he will be

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u/TexanPrince Sep 24 '22

Sounds like a Pokémon name and your making it up but idk enough about Pokémon or Politics to be certain.

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u/YVRJon Sep 24 '22

Most English speakers spell it Medvedev; I'm guessing the previous poster is from central or Eastern Europe.

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u/Pandraswrath Sep 24 '22

Either spelling looks like a Pokémon name lol

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u/Metalicks Sep 24 '22

medwedew would definitely be a water/grass pokemon

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u/CatOfGrey Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Medvedev literally translates to "Bear".

The name Dimitry Medvedev is literally "Demeter Bear", where Demeter is, I recall, the Greek God of the Hunt.

Edit:. Comment is correct. Demeter is agriculture, so the name could translate to "Farmer Bear"...

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u/Pandraswrath Sep 25 '22

Got it. Goofy bear Pokémon! 🐻with a bow! 🏹

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u/imcatnipped Sep 25 '22

Demeter is a goddess of agriculture, crops, etc. Artemis is the goddess of the hunt. This means that our bear Pokémon is but a humble farmer, lol :)

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u/CatOfGrey Sep 25 '22

I'm all in for "Farmer Bear". Thanks!!

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u/ubiquitous-joe Sep 25 '22

I’m not proud of this, but it made me recall Disney’s animated Jafar mispronouncing it “Prince Abooboo.” Ah yes, Russian politician Medewdew…

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u/Then-Cow6789 Sep 25 '22

My stepfather was from central Europe. He couldn't pronounce words with the letter v in them. It always sounded like he was saying w. Used to always try and get him to say Vegemite or Volvo lol

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u/purpleRN Sep 25 '22

Which way to the nuclear wessels?!

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u/batture Sep 24 '22

Or a Furry

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u/kosmovii Sep 25 '22

Who's that guy who was poisoned last election but survived? i think he's in jail now. But probably someone similar

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u/_AndyVandy Sep 25 '22

Do you have citations that support your assertions? I doubt it.

He called for “free and fair” referenda to determine the Crimea’s future in 2014 and specifically urged further sanctions against people linked with Putin in response to Russia’s annexation of the peninsula.

And we’re not talking about the Putin brand(TM) of free and fair here.

I think you’re misinterpreting his comments where he said that BECAUSE of Putin’s invasion and annexation and BECAUSE of the high level of pro-Russian residents on the peninsula, Ukraine should accept the fact that it is - in essence - Russian. Navalny simply stating that fact is very different from SUPPORTING that fact and WILDLY different from supporting the invasion that caused that fact.

He repeatedly spoke out against Russia’s interference in Syria.

Even back in 2014 he said “Putin likes to speak about the 'Russian world' but he is actually making it smaller. In Belarus, they sing anti-Putin songs at football stadiums; in Ukraine they simply hate us. In Ukraine now, there are no politicians who do not have extreme anti-Russian positions. Being anti-Russian is the key to success now in Ukraine, and that is our fault"

All of the above is readily able to be cited if anyone needs me to. Or just 2 mins on google.

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u/frogingly_similar Sep 25 '22

If Medjejev takes over, i think situation would take a new level of fucked-up-ness.

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u/Optimal_Row_1528 Sep 25 '22

Also depends if he died of natural causes or assassination. The latter would likely cause a war on a much larger scale.

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u/Dodgy-Boi Sep 25 '22

Naturally caused assassination please

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

nibba would have been already dead if it guaranteed the end of the war

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u/freebonnie Oct 07 '22

Doubt it.its a war crime to do shit like that no matter how you feel about a leader of a country..if that were the case.america would have been gone a long time ago all the messed up stuff we do and countries we have ruined.

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

Nah, the US won't let the war end, defence contractors are making too much money. The Brits straight up prevented a cease fire months ago.

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u/kitkatbay Sep 24 '22

This does not sound remotely correct

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u/petrovmendicant Sep 24 '22

Because it isn't.

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

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u/bakedmaga2020 Sep 24 '22

Probably because Russia won’t accept Ukraine’s reasonable terms of complete withdrawal

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

From Crimea where they want to be part of Russia and speak Russian?

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u/cheepcheepimasheep Sep 24 '22

... after Russia invaded and replaced Ukrainian citizens with Russian citizens.

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

Lol, they were already there.

Neoliberal imperialist warmonger don't make shit up challenge (impossible)

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u/Outcasted_introvert Sep 24 '22

imperialist warmonger

Supports Putin.

Fucking LOL

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

"Anyone who questions the US supports (current bad guy), I am very smart."

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u/MentalOcelot7882 Sep 24 '22

Sure, I guess you could say that Stalin forcibly removing the Tatars from Crimea and shipping them to the east, and colonizing Crimea with Russian families is "already there"... In the same sense American remote workers in Mexico City were already there pre-COVID.

I mean, Russia has a history of killing or sending the peoples of Ukraine away so that they can claim Ukraine for Russia and Russians. The Tatars... The Cossacks... The Ruthenians... If you choose to ignore them, that's on you. But to claim Russians were always the predominant culture or ethnicity in Ukraine is just a lie.

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

You gonna give up your house to the black family that lived there in the 50's?

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u/bakedmaga2020 Sep 24 '22

Yes because it’s Ukrainian territory and the government has no obligation to hand it over to another country (which already has more than enough land as it is) even if the people wanted it to. If those people want to be Russian and already speak the language, then that’s all the more reason for them to move

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u/kitkatbay Sep 24 '22

Ok so that is Boris Johnson, how does the US play into it?

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u/eicaker Sep 24 '22

No shock there that Boris Johnson is corrupt.

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

Errand boy for US.

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u/logicisprettycool Sep 24 '22

not even true

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

Absolutely true, just like in the buildup to the Iraq war, Brittish take their marching orders from the boss.

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u/IndependenceNorth165 Sep 24 '22

Ukraine won’t agree to a ceasefire unless they get all their territory back. A ceasefire is only a win for Russia

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u/nekokattt Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

no one mentioned the US or the UK, you are just hearing what you want to hear to try and push whatever your political agenda is, rather than answering OPs question.

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

When anyone points out the US' role in anything its Russian propaganda.

Q: would putin's death end the war

A: no, not up to Russians if war ends.

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u/Outcasted_introvert Sep 24 '22

Your tinfoil hat is slipping.

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u/doodoowithsprinkles Sep 24 '22

Damn I believe in things that actually happened and that the cia admitted to.

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u/frizzykid Rapid editor here Sep 24 '22

Maybe. I think it would definitely change how both sides look at the war and could start the push towards a ceasefire and maybe even real peace but I think one key things the Ukrainians want before this war ends is Crimea returned to them, I'm not sure if whoever comes after Putin would want that. The annexation of Crimea was actually one of Putin's largest achievements as leader.

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u/ShabalalaWATP Sep 24 '22

Unfortunately there is ZERO chance any Russian gives Crimea back, even Putin’s biggest opposition within Russia; Alexei Navalny is a strong supporter of Russian ownership of Crimea.

If Ukraine want Crimea back they are gonna have to take it how they lost it; by force, I think that may be a bridge too far for the Ukrainians.

They should focus on reclaiming Donetsk / Luhansk before worrying about Crimea.

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u/ovicash Sep 24 '22

Any source about Navalny? People are storming out of Crimea, fearing war zone moved them. Interesting to see what future holds

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u/Sanmenov Sep 24 '22

The annexation of Crimea is/was incredibly popular in Russia. Any politician with a policy of reintegrating Crimea into Ukraine is not going to get very far or have much support.

Navanly said that the annexation was a violation of international norms, but said "Crimea will remain part of Russia and will never become part of Ukraine again in the foreseeable future".

https://crimea.suspilne.media/en/news/942

And, said in 2017 he wanted to provide a "fair referendum" to try to normalize the situation internationally.

However, there is little doubt about the result of any referendum. We have many data points over many years and public support for a union with Russia is consistently above 70%.

So his policy was essentially to try to normalize the situation with an internationally recognized referendum which would almost certainly keep Crimea in the Russian Federation.

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u/flexilisduck Sep 25 '22

A referendum would have to be held nation wide, not just in Crimea, to be internationally accepted. That's certainly not gonna happen.

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u/Sanmenov Sep 25 '22

I'm just explaining Navanly's stated position on Crimea. I'm unclear why a referendum on the status of Crimea would have to be nationwide.

I don't think the west had/has any interest in normalizing Crimea as part of the Russian Federation as long as Putin is President. However, had Navanly come to power as America's preferred "Russian westren liberal" they might have as a way of moving their relationship forward.

An internationally recognized referendum in Crimea would have been an easy out for everyone to keep Crimea as part of the Russian Federation as part of a larger deal resolving the issues of the DPR and LRP, ending the "civil war" and moving the Russian/American relationship in the new direction.

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u/flexilisduck Sep 25 '22

As I said: to be "internationally recognized" it must be held nation wide.

Anything else will probably never be accepted by a majority of states. If the west (and the rest of the world) would accept this, it would tell everyone that it's okay to annex parts of other countries.

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u/ewalk896 Sep 25 '22

You would think Russia is big enough and doesn't need more land. So greedy.

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u/A_BOMB2012 Sep 25 '22

I doubt they could take it by force. Russia considers it part of Russia, so it would result in a major escalation in the war. I'm also pretty sure Russia permits the use of nuclear weapons to defend their territory.

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u/PyrZern Sep 24 '22

What if UN/EU is like 'Give it back, or you lot won't get ANY shit ever again will have to pay 200+ billions to Ukraine for the damage' ?

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u/EternalPinkMist Sep 24 '22

How exactly can they force Russia to pay anything without storming into Russian territory? Most reparation deal work because the land is occupied. Don't pay we just annex you. Imagine trying to annex Moscow.

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u/Ilruz Sep 24 '22

There are already plan to seize 750B of russian assets worldwide, to pay for reconstruction.

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u/pds314 Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Raiding Russia's unsecured international capital is not the same as demanding reparations. For one thing, they can justify it without even making it conditional by pointing out Russia isn't giving back the international capital that was in Russia. Russia steals west's planes. West steal's Russian owned powerplants. About even.

They could decide to use the stolen capital as leverage. But that would require large scale coordination across countries to give it back if Russia agreed to pay reparations. And some countries probably wouldn't anyway because it's critical infrastructure and Russia is probably completely SOL asking for any kind of compensation for critical infrastructure that their companies owned after the number of times it threatened to freeze Europe and whatnot.

No country in EU wants Russia to tell them whether the lights will turn on.

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u/Ilruz Sep 25 '22

At this stage it's still a plan; that can become very real in a couple of months. Russia stole several assets and business to the world (ex: all leased planes were acquired) without any legal basis ... but we are talking of Russia; "legal" is an elastic concept. Yes, for sure there will be an international process and decision. I will not be surprised is Russia will be kicked off UN.

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u/EternalPinkMist Sep 26 '22

Didn't even realize this was a thing. I assume it's essentially repoing assets that Russian officials and popular figures aren't able to secure, such as property and bank account that's have been frozen from international banks?

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u/Ilruz Sep 26 '22

No guess about the details, at this stage it's just a plan.

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u/Big-Problem7372 Sep 24 '22

Ye, new guy can't come in and start giving away territory.

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u/mrcoolio Sep 24 '22

Giving back* that’s a big difference than giving away. It’s not likely but if there’s enough conditional international pressure.. who knows.

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u/Kingjoe97034 Sep 24 '22

Possibly. But some of his inner circle are even more wacko than he is. The only hope is that the inner struggle will cause them to want to get the war done with so they can sort out Russia stuff.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

That part scares me: “get the war done with”

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u/upthewatwo Sep 24 '22

I hate that that phrase doesn't mean "cancel the war"

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u/Asatsuki Sep 24 '22

i wonder what would happen if russia actually used nuclear weapons?

would the US respond with nuclear weapons, or not because they dont want to escalate and because its not the US that was bombed?

how exactly would the other countries even be able to respond to that?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

I suspect if Putin did use nukes—which I don’t think he’d do but I also didn’t think even he’d be brazen enough to invade Ukraine—he’d use smaller, more localized ones…making it even more difficult to justify a US/world response

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u/Infiniteblaze6 Sep 25 '22

Honestly I don't get why people keep thinking this. The USA will not retaliate with nuclear weapons unless a full salvo/an attack on itself is happening.

The USA however will intereve and kick the Russians out of Ukraine in under a 100 hours.

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u/BorisJohnsonsBarber Sep 25 '22

There are a lot of different ways that a nuclear strike could happen. On the small scale, tactical nukes could be used to break through Ukrainian lines or terrorise Kyiv. On the large scale, Russia could use its strategic weapons (ICBMs) to "punish" NATO countries for supporting Ukraine.

The tactical strike is far more likely, as it would massively improve Russia's chances in the conflict. Ukraine does not have the capability to respond, so NATO would have to respond. NATO would likely step in with some limited, conventional actions on contested territory, such as enforcing a no-fly zone, destroying the Black Sea Fleet, destroying the Kerch bridge, destroying military targets in Kaliningrad or Belarus is probably the limit.

This imposes real costs on Russia that outweigh the benefits gained, and reminds them what a superpower is, without escalating the conflict to a nuclear slugfest.

Another, more terrifying option would be for NATO to give Ukraine a number of tactical nuclear weapons, but I don't see this as very likely.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

so NATO would have to respond.

Why though? Ukraine isn't a NATO country, thus the NATO isn't obligated to respond to an attack. And they won't because they ain't stupid. NATO is a defense alliance but only when it comes to their own member countries.

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u/BorisJohnsonsBarber Sep 25 '22

If NATO did not respond then Russia could drop tactical nukes on Kyiv until Ukraine surrendered unconditionally. Nobody - not NATO, not Russia, not China - wants to see this type of warfare normalised, because it is a highway straight to strategic nuclear war.

There is already considerable strategic (economic) pressure on Russia to not use nuclear weapons on any scale. It would (hopefully) cut them off completely from China and India, but if Putin is desperate enough then the military concerns will outweigh the economic ones. By promising to degrade Russian military capability as an immediate response, the US is making the nuclear option prohibitively expensive.

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u/ZerexTheCool Sep 24 '22

Probably. Anyone who kills Putin in an attempt to take over right now, would be trying to take power to end the war.

Otherwise, they would want to wait until the war was over, blame Putin for it's result, THEN kill him and take over.

However, if he is straight assassinated from outside (Ukraine or US assassin) then it just depends on how takes over.

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u/ovicash Sep 24 '22

He is protected by an army of 200 people. Nobody can sneez near him. Only way of assassination is internal coop

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u/Error_co-Id10T Sep 24 '22

Snipers? Poison? Explosives? I mean, come on CIA..

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u/McMetal770 Sep 24 '22

I mean, the CIA is actually not very good at assassinating world leaders. Fidel Castro died a natural death at a ripe old age, despite decades of the CIA's increasingly ludicrous plans to kill him, including poisoned cigars and exploding seashells.

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u/Error_co-Id10T Sep 25 '22

Well true.. but how about lower classes? They got people everywhere. FBI, NSA, Scotland yard. One of their informants must be a good sniper or, in worst case, a suicide bomber

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u/pimpnastie Sep 25 '22

I mean we could blow up the city he's in...

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u/Debesuotas Sep 24 '22

I believe its not that hard to put 50mil to his head, every mercenary team would be storming russia in order to eliminate one man. And there are quite a few oligarchs who can offer such sum to remove a problem, even more than that, if they can spend 500mil on a boat... Well if they saw Putin as problem that is...

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u/TehTJ Sep 25 '22

If the CIA assassinated Putin it would be a nuclear war.

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u/ZerexTheCool Sep 25 '22

According to Putin, nuclear war is inevitable. Maybe if Putin is handled, it won't mean death to all on the planet.

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u/TehTJ Sep 25 '22

The United States killing a president would be an act of war

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u/ZerexTheCool Sep 25 '22

Why yes it would be. Putin has already said he is at war with NATO. So The war, according to him, has already started.

Do you see the pattern here? Putin is the main source of the problem. Putin has to go.

Personally, I would rather he be overthrown by someone internally. But Putin threatened to use Nukes in an offensive war for the sake of gaining resources and land. That isn't allowed. He can't walk that back.

The second he made that threat, was the end of his ability to run Russia peacefully. In order for Russia to move on and rejoin the rest of the civilized world, Russia will need to be rid of Putin.

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u/Accomplished_Mix7827 Sep 24 '22

It's always hard to tell what the situation is inside a dictator's court, but it seems like Putin doesn't have a clear successor. So if he were to die, there might be a big power struggle, maybe even a civil war. Given how much Russian logistics are struggling already, I could see the army collapsing in the chaos.

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u/DarthMauledByABear Sep 24 '22

Death of Putin would be the perfect excuse to end the war in Ukraine and blame him for the loss and the new leader could focus on Russia's internal problems.

The Kremlin would want someone easier to control next I think, Medvedev might be their best option.

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u/Stewdogm9 Sep 24 '22

Look at dictatorial leaders that come to power in a country during a period of war and economic strife. If Putin were to die the next person to come to power would likely do so by promising prosperity by controlling more of the country's economics and promising better success in Ukraine. That person would be more extreme than Putin.

I think the chances of a Russian leader coming to power by promising to withdraw from Ukraine are less likely.

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u/Uncle_Bug_Music Sep 24 '22

I mean, we could try it and see. Just sayin’.

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u/alphyna Sep 25 '22

Russian here. You'd be surprised by how unclear that is.

Currently, Putin hasn't set up a successor, so his sudden death would result in immediate in-fighting at the top. There are quite a few important politicians who would probably be happy to end the war ASAP, shift the blame to Putin personally and do what they can to work on lifting sanctions. However, none of those people control armed forces — and in a time of crisis, it's armies that decide fates.

Of armed forces, Russia actually has quite a few — apart from regular military. There's Wagner (whose owner clearly wants to be the governor of St. Petersburg), Kadyrov's forces (very separate from the rest), Rosgvardia, FSB, normal and riot police. All of these forces are controlled by different people, some of them semi-rogue. All currently view the war as their bread and butter, the way to win political points and grab power. But without Putin, who is to award these points? Today, Putin kind of is the only source of legitimacy.

So they may come to an agreement and continue the war as a joint effort, as it kind of gives them said legitimacy. They may resort to in-fighting and a civil war. They may view Donetsk etc as a free-for-all to just pillage chaotically.

I don't think ANY peaceful polititian could control them (because why would they listen to him?), and whoever says "The Kremlin would do this or that" doesn't really grasp that the Kremlin is a very fractured space with no clear "line of succession."

tl;dr: Fighting would continue, but become more chaotic. As to whether it would continue in Ukraine or become a civil war in Russia, is unclear.

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u/Commercial_Tough160 Sep 24 '22

I feel like it is probably time to perform the experiment, honestly, and test this hypothesis. Purely for the advancement of science and human progress, of course.

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u/5DollarHitJob Sep 24 '22

Can't hurt.

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u/fuzzydunlap Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

Yes. Putin started the war cuz he's been king for a long time and Russia's done nothing but fall behind the rest of the world. If a new guy takes over they get a blank slate. In other words, prob have like 5 years before he starts his first war.

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u/ShoWel_redit Sep 24 '22

Most likely yes. Putin is the only one who needs this war at this point, stoping it is showing weakness in his book. Whoever take over after him will most likely stop this war asap,as it's just a needless resource drain

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u/green_meklar Sep 24 '22

Probably. There'd be an immediate political battle of other high-ranking people trying to figure out who becomes the new boss, and promising to get out of a disastrous international conflict would likely earn some points towards getting into that position.

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u/CherryBoard Sep 24 '22

No, Putin rose to power because of all the viable candidates that Russians over 30 would choose, he revolutionized Russian politics by not being 100% despicable

His major opponent Nemtzov who was very liberal was rejected every time by the older Russians and he got assassinated protesting the Crimean invasion without much fanfare

The media wants to say it's Putin's war because they don't want to escalate accusations, but there's something seriously wrong with Russia for the past 800 years

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u/barcased Sep 24 '22

I am reading answers, and, gosh, most people have no touch with reality.

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u/Debesuotas Sep 24 '22

Problem is we dont know who stands behind Putin. I doubts it is a war to recreate the USSRS. It is most likely the war for resources. Ukraine has quite a few deposits of resources, gas oil and some metals as well. The problem for Russia is that if Ukraine manage to become the EU state, those resources will fall to EU. Meaning that EU would stop buying Russian gas and oil. So they had nothing else to do about it, they know fully well that without EU funds they are screwed on many levels, the Oligarchs and the nation itself.

Currently EU has shown that they do not need oil and gas from Russia, this war will only lead EU towards more aggressive expansion on renewables in order to fully quit the gas/oil game. At current stage it makes this war pointless for Russia, because now it seems that no matter if the Ukraine joins EU or not, the EU wont be relying on gas/oil for long anyway...

It seems that both Germany and Russia do not believe that the EU will manage to quit oil/gas in upcoming couple of years. Thats why Germany is trying to stall most of the sanctions on Russia and is why Putin still believes that this war is beneficial in some way to Russia.

thats why there is panic in Kremlin. Because half of them see that Eu is quiting the oil/gas bussines, another half tryhing to believe that Germany and Eu is bluffing, so they still keep going...

There is also fear that if Ukraine manage to cut lose from their influence, other countries will as well. Democracy is knocking at their doors, they are afraid that the political state will change and the current oligarchs will be thrown out like garbage... I think the most that they fear is shrinking of the country - they are afraid that other regions will announce independence.

The current mobilization might be the attempt of Moscow to reduce the amount of men around the outskirts of Russia, so they wont try to seek independence by force... The moscow would have a hard time trying to put the fire out thousands of km`s away and vis social media the news would spread like crazy over the whole Russia, they would have no means to prevent the coups everywhere...

I believe the Putins death would lead to the coups appearing here and there around the whole country.

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u/TheRealSugarbat Sep 24 '22

What’s your nationality, if you don’t mind my asking?

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u/Debesuotas Sep 24 '22

Lithuanian

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u/TheRealSugarbat Sep 24 '22

Oh, hey! My ex-husband is Lithuanian. I still have his last name.

What’s the overall opinion there about the war?

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u/Debesuotas Sep 25 '22

~98% of popullation is against it. People are scared since the war is only ~500km away. We live in uncertanty times right now, who knows what might happen in the next month. NATO does bring some assurance but, we need assurance on the political stance and stability regarding politics. Its not that we need assurance that we gona win the war if it breaks out, we need assurance that the war wont happen... And currently nothing is clear.

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u/Professional_Gur4811 Sep 24 '22

Hm, I've never thought about it as a fight for resources like you described (with all deals between Ukraine and EU). There are couple of theories that it's for a buffer from NATO (aka American military bases) or it was a thread for Ukraine to not join NATO to not loose influence that went too far. But now that you said it, it actually makes a lot more sense.

About Putin. There are two ways I see it: 1) in case Putin is just a puppet of his own gang, just a face to show, nothing gonna change, new face, the same system (and I actually believe it's gonna be Medvedev); 2) if he's actually something more than just a face, he holds all those corrupted members in place (like "I'm bonded with you with these corruption wires, so know your place, or we all gonna fall down"), so when he dies, there is gonna be a big fight for the power from inside of the government, they gonna eat each other, bringing the entire country to ruins. And then who knows, the person getting up might be just as bad if not worse. It might even result in weakening the military forces they have now, so even the revolution might occure

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u/Debesuotas Sep 25 '22

Yeah, all wars are happening mostly due to resources. Be it oil, gas, grain even people... Ideological war in this time and day they are bound to fail. They use it to cover up real agenda. Even though their people aware of it already, thats why their soldiers do not fight properly, they have no motivation because they understand that there is no point in all of this, it simply makes no sense for them.

Yeah its hard to understand the real situation in Kremlin it is either Puting holding everyone pinned, or vice versa...

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u/Macksamus88 Sep 24 '22

As others said, “maybe.” But I like to think it’d be a pretty big wake up call for the guy that takes over. He prolly wouldn’t want to be killed next.

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u/GrimbledonWimbleflop Sep 24 '22

I'll go somewhat against the grain and say yes, probably. The odds are good that the war would end in short order with the death of Vladimir Putin.

As for why, the main reason is that the ones in Russia hurting most economically from this war are the oligarchs who have lost easy access to Western luxuries, bank accounts, and travel. Also a decline in oil revenue for the country which primarily affects the rich and powerful.

The quickest way to return to normalcy for them is to kill Putin, end the war, and distance themselves from the past regime as strongly and quickly as possible. Pin it all on Putin and hope the West obliges. And they probably will, as I think Europe at least is as eager for the war to be over as anyone, so they'll probably accept the new pro-peace regime even if they doubt its sincerity.

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u/Icy_Ruin3512 Sep 24 '22

It seems likely. Domestic succession would become a huge issue that would likely distract any major candidates from the war. Without strict discipline it’s unlikely forces would stay in the field.

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u/Then-Baker-7933 Sep 24 '22

Probably and it would be an accident, of course!

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u/Clerstory Sep 25 '22

Maybe another “oops, he fell out the window” scenario. I have never seen a country that relied so heavily on defenestration for their assassinations.

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u/UuYyWwDd Sep 25 '22

Well it makes sense using gravity to do the heavy lifting for you

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u/Clerstory Sep 25 '22

Cheaper than poison or a bullet, too.

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u/BlottomanTurk Sep 24 '22

I was really hoping for the classic "Asking for a friend..." In the body text section.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Yes

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u/Chase_Ramone Sep 24 '22

Very likely.

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u/streetvoyager Sep 24 '22

I think it would plummet Russia into chaos due to the huge power vacuum it would leave. Putin has consolidated so much power and so many high ranking people have conveniently died since the war started I think the fighting between factions within the government would be pretty big. But I know fuck all about Russia chain of command, not sure who the second in line is after Putin and whether the rest of the elite in Russia would fall in line.

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u/MuadDib1942 Sep 24 '22

Probably really quick.

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u/Eveleyn Sep 25 '22

Depends on how it's done. if he get's shot in the woods, burried and never heard from again, then another ass will rise.

If the corpse will be hung on the street to rot, violated by a dildo and eaten by crows. that's when asses will think twice.

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u/QuietProfile417 Oct 16 '22

I hope that piece of shit dies that way, Putin doesn't deserve an easy death!

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u/Sleight-Code Sep 25 '22

Another would just take his place

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u/Zennyzenny81 Sep 24 '22

Probably not, I would assume his inner circle of top advisors have steered his decision making in favor of the war, and outside of something really drastic happening like a military coup I expect one of those people would subsequently take over in the event of his sudden death.

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u/allen_6108 Sep 24 '22

Probably not, but it would make me feel better

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u/yelbesed Sep 24 '22

No. In most wars or even simple family conflicts both sides are parts of a real (or fantasy) truth in which they do believe. Russians do remember that the Crimea was theirs (when they chased away the Tatars from there in the 1790s) and Ukraine got it under the transfer of power from Stalin to the ukraine Party boss, khruschev - in 1954 - it was an ex-lex deal. It is a mistake (they think ) of the West of not letting them have that area (and the Dombass is its economic lifeline, just needed.) So I doubt any follower of Putin may change this conflict-ridden setup.

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u/grosscore90 Sep 24 '22

Ukrainian here. The answer is - no. It’s not putin’s war. It’s russian’s war.

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u/FriendliestUsername Sep 24 '22

Everyone that wants to replace him is just as bad if not more extreme. So probably not.

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u/mrpresidentt1 Sep 24 '22

Probably not. This war isn't a Putin thing, it's a Russian political power thing.

If they give up Crimea and Donbas then they lose their position as Europe's major petroleum supplier, given all the fossil fuels discovered there. Considering Russia is a petrostate, if they allow Ukraine to develop these reserves, their economy implodes and all the oligarchs lose power.

If they just keep Crimea without securing any of the infrastructure Ukraine had to keep it from dying of thirst, then they can't themselves develop crimeas reserves and it continues to wither away. Plus Ukraine can continue to develop their other reserves. Same problem but a little better for Russia. That Ukraine would settle for this in the event of Russia clamoring for it I find unlikely, but I think this is what would be pushed for in the event of Putin's death, both from within Russia and to a lesser extent abroad.

If they take everything, then they retain their position as European petroleum king, the oligarchs keep their full power, and Ukraine remains a very small threat. No shot this happens as a result of Putin dying though. It could still happen, but Putin plays a minor role there.

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u/FinnbarMcBride Sep 24 '22

Not sure, but we should try it just to make certain

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u/Atlas205 Sep 24 '22

It would be a nice start…

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u/Pukesmiley Sep 24 '22

Its worth a try

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u/Serious-Employee-738 Sep 24 '22

It’s worth a try, eh?

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u/Sanmenov Sep 24 '22

Russia's policy towards Ukraine is a Russian-specific policy, not a Putin-specific policy. It's their greatest geopolitical security concern. An unfriendly strong Ukraine in NATO firmly in the westren sphere is simply unacceptable to Russia, and this dominates Russian foreign policy thinking and their geopolitical posture.

I think this question would be similar to asking if President Xi were to be deposed would China's policy towards Twain be markedly different?

In my opinion, the political turmoil that Putin's death would cause could stop the war. But, the political pressure in Russia is from nationalists on the right not westren styled liberals who have almost no voice or legitimacy in Russian politics.

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u/mechtonia Sep 24 '22

If Russia uses nukes, and Putin isn't assassinated, the answer is "no". If he is, the answer is yes.

I'm sure we have agents in place to take out Putin if required to prevent WWIII.

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u/Peer_turtles Sep 24 '22

Trump getting re-elected would stop the war because he’d hand Ukraine right into Putin’s laps.

The trump family is intertwined with Russia and Russia wants him to be re-elected.

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u/nekokattt Sep 24 '22

The Russia Ukraine war has nothing to do with the US, stop kidding yourself. The world doesn't revolve around your country.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

1) He invaded Georgia during Bush’s presidency, idiot

2) “Nobody invaded anyone”: are you 5? Or just an idiot?

3) He poisoned multiple people around the world during Trump’s presidency. Are you an idiot?

4) He helped get Trump elected—with hard evidence showing that. And you’re okay with that? Or are you an idiot? 🤣🤣🤣

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u/ScrollWithTheTimes Sep 24 '22

Looking at this person's comment history, I think the answer is yes. It's mostly gun nut stuff interspersed with brain-free alt-right parroting. Scary really.

Although they do point out in one comment that Prince Andrew was an associate of Jeffery Epstein's. Fair play to them for keeping the spotlight on shady stuff like this; I'm sure they'd appreciate a heads up about Trump.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Based Russian bot downvoted to oblivion for challenging the views of the majority.

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u/monkey-pox Sep 24 '22

I don't think anyone can know, but it has better odds than him being alive

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u/kidmargin Sep 24 '22

It might. Hard to predict. Without putin the regime becomes very unstable and you don't know what the ultimate result will be.

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u/coffeenerd75 Sep 24 '22

s/would/will/

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u/Young_Rock Sep 24 '22

No one on Reddit knows/anyone who does probably won’t share that on Reddit

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u/shromboy Sep 24 '22

Are you capable of something here

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u/TinktheChi Sep 24 '22

For a period of time until he can be replaced with someone who has a similar plan, which I assume they have waiting in the wings now.

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u/Banksville Sep 24 '22

I believe so.

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u/Assholejack89 Sep 25 '22

I will go ahead and put the reality on the table: It's not very likely, no.

People who are close to power all believe or push the same line as Putin has been pushing, that is that Ukraine needs to be invaded and annexed because it is glorious Russian dirt. The people? Never mind the thousands of deaths, they're not important as our manifest destiny to regain the Russian empire back.

The only way this would happen is if the next leader of Russia is anti-Russia.

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u/lualt Sep 25 '22

depends on how he dies, because the death could always be blamed on another country if another bad person takes over after his death

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u/SeeMarkFly Sep 25 '22

If everyone knew that his death was because of the war, maybe.

If the next in line did it to gain power, maybe.

If we had to drop a nuke on him because he pushed the button, yes.

There are a few more if's.

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u/skumarred Sep 25 '22

That's exactly why I think Russia will break up into smaller pieces and the Russian identity will be lost in time.

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u/IllustratorOnly5705 Sep 25 '22

I don’t know if it would or not, but it’s a good place to start.

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u/Imaneetboy Sep 25 '22

Possibly. He's got to go though. There's no way he doesn't launch all the nukes when he's on his deathbed just to take everybody with him.

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u/Zealousideal-Crab403 Sep 25 '22

Yeah. Like the way Hitler died.

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u/SaintPimpin Sep 25 '22

Lol he died/suicide cause he lost not lost cause he died.

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u/Fake_Journalist_95 Sep 25 '22

I don't know, how about we test?

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u/DeeDee_Z Sep 25 '22

The current "power struggle" in Moscow -- such as it is -- is between those who see the end of Russia, and those who believe Russia is not doing enough to win.

Be careful what you wish for, folks.

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u/hiricinee Sep 25 '22

We don't have a ton of idea, the problem is that notorious with dictatorial regimes is that there is one man at the top, and everyone is loyal to him first and has their own ideals second. It very well might be the case that the person that can consolidate power after Putin very much wants to stop the war, but definitely isn't going to say so as things are.

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u/thetechdoc Sep 25 '22

It will stop the immediate assult, but there's a good chance someone will take the reins and keep it going, maybe not as most people in Russia including his subordinates want it to stop, but if he was killed by an uprising of his people,then probably. Dudes apparently got cancer anyway according to unconfirmed reports so fingers crossed that's true and he'll die soon.

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u/SuperdaveOZY Sep 25 '22

It would create a power vacuum. LOTS of former Soviets who would love to have his position of power to return to their glory days pre 1992.

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u/davidinkorea Sep 25 '22

Anything is possible.

Stalin's death ended the Korean War fighting.

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u/Usual-Novel7195 Sep 25 '22

It's not only Putin who is driving the war..his inner circle and the close confidants are definitely the one who have talked up the ability of the Russian military and not thought enough about the impact of Ukraine determination and a flow of tactical weapons against aged ear machine of Russia. So if Putin dies or is overthrown, the entire power structure in Kremlin has to be dismantled..in that power vacuum, you don't know who will grab hold of the power..a decisive defeat or complete surrender in the face of Putin's death with UN administered denuclearazition is the way to go.

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u/manga----wrighter Sep 25 '22

Simple answer no, complicated answer maybe

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u/Soldier-Bear Sep 25 '22

Tactfulness goes a long way.

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u/Shanstergoodheart Sep 25 '22

Probably depends how he dies. If he's assassinated or seemingly assassinated, then he will probably be seen as a martyr. The war would then be even more "justified" as it's an attack on Russia itself.

If it's cancer or something, then possibly.

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u/A_BOMB2012 Sep 25 '22

Did America pull out of WWII when FDR died? Or pull out of Vietnam when JFK died? If the head of state dies, the next in line just takes their place.

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u/Kgbguru Sep 25 '22

Couldn't hurt.

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u/AnimatorNr1 Sep 25 '22

Probably not. The extremists will take over.

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u/Key-Photo-336 Sep 25 '22

There is a solid chance that whatever gangster comes after him will need a distraction from interna strife. Second tier option, they could go for the traditional prompting men to abuse women as an entitlement to keep the locals on their personal bs.

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u/Gilbo_Swaggins96 Sep 25 '22

Maybe. Depends what the next Russian PM would be like.

I'd like to think he'd be wholly different, given how often Putin has his political rivals assassinated. Let's be fucking honest, he has quite clearly been doing that.

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u/Brady123456789101112 Sep 25 '22

Putin is a moderate. He’s being pushed by the militarists. It probably wouldn’t end the war.

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u/TehTJ Sep 25 '22

Most likely not. The United Russia party is in pretty firm control, anything short of a revolution or a mass dissolution of their legitimacy could take them down.

Besides, the three biggest non-UR parties aren't much better. There are the communists, many of whom would end the war but it's a 50/50 and they could fundamentally fuck up global trade. There is the "Just Russia party" which is more social democratic, but also pretty socially isolationists so they're prone to just be more charitable Putins most likely. There are the liberal democrats, who despite the name are basically fascists who'd certainly keep the war going and would almost certainly be more repressive than UR. The biggest "liberal" party is Future party (Navalny's party) but most Russians simply aren't liberal and telling them "you'll be treated like every other country in the world" might be threatening if they remember the 1990's when they were closest to that.

Overall the situation in Russia is fucked. I want to respect their sovereignty (let's face it, most Americans and EU rulers want Russia to basically be a third world cheap trade hub) but at the same time most people's idea of Russian sovereignty just sucks

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u/Azrekita Sep 25 '22

The war will end at some point regardless of whether Putin dies or not, what will come after that is the question

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u/freebonnie Oct 07 '22

It would be about as helpful as someone thinking killing our president would stop a war...if anything it makes it worst.and I'm pretty sure it's a war crime to kill leaders of countries just saying

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u/25millionusd Sep 24 '22

Russia probably becomes a real democracy like America after this...lol.

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u/uglymule Sep 24 '22

Sure, and they're way ahead of us on the whole "take over the media", thing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

America, a real democracy.

You can only choose one.

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u/WayDownUnder91 Sep 24 '22

Well considering its a federal republic, pick neither

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u/JammyHammy86 Sep 24 '22

i worry that putin might have a dead-mans-switch. say if he doesnt enter a code every 48 hours or something, missiles get launched everywhere. because if he's dead, then why not? seems like the type of wanker who would take everyone else down with him

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