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Why is r/politics fully left wing? Answered

Not asking as a right wing guy or anything like that, just curious why the sub supposedly about 'Politics' is 100% just stuff that is pro-left?

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u/mikey_weasel Today I have too much time Nov 14 '22 Helpful Wholesome

The subreddit invites those with strong political views to participate.

Now reddit in general leans left and the way reddit works with upvotes/downvotes pushes out divergent views.

Like lets say that at a point there are 60 left and 40 right people voting, the pro-left post ends up at +20 votes and the pro-right post ends up at -20 votes.

Now this happens for a while and the right-leaning people get frustrated with the downvotes and migrate elsewhere.

So right now its more like 90 left/10 right, so anything right wing is buried quickly.

(yes its much more complex than this but just simplifying).

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u/seconddayboxers Nov 14 '22

I like how you did that without mentioning the mods. It gets... Less simple when you bring in that element.

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u/absolute4080120 Nov 14 '22

Yeah. Everyone just quietly forgets the entire moderation crew changed around during the 2016 election cycle.

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u/MetaphysicPhilosophy Nov 14 '22

Yep. Mods are practically dictators on Reddit

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u/Haroldinho16 Nov 14 '22

i got banned without reason without saying anything joining a conservative sub. I wanted a different point of view…

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u/F1DrivingZombie Nov 14 '22

I got banned from that sub for “misinformation” and “trolling” for stating my right wing opinion and presenting evidence. It’s very much more complicated than the original comment explains

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u/DangerZoneh Nov 14 '22

Just curious, what was the opinion you posted that led to this ban?

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u/Basic-Entry6755 Nov 14 '22

I'm gonna guess... Trump won the election and Democrats are baby eating lizard people, probably. Because y'know that's a valid opinion to have and should be given just as much room at the table as anything else!

/s just in case. I mean, about that last bit, but the first bit.

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u/freerangepops Nov 14 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Why would you guess instead of asking?

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u/Choholek Nov 14 '22 Bravo!

I think your comment demonstrates perfectly how reddit functions as an echo chamber

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u/Volwik Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22 Silver

Exactly. Peruse r/politics for a little bit and you'll see comment after comment describing a caricature of conservatives in the worst light. It's toxic to discourse. Not to even mention the brigading and abuse, bots, shadowbanning, and outright banning that goes on. Certain conservative subs operate the same way. Eventually the other side won't even approach, letting them spew more and more sensationalist imagery of what defines your average "blank." Reddit is fucked up.

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u/Scuta44 Nov 14 '22

And I got banned from a conservative sub for asking a simple question about the evidence presented. So it works both ways. Political subs are just echo chambers where people can voice their opinion with like minded individuals. There is not a sub where civil discussion can take place. Politicians make bold face lies and false statements because they will NEVER be confronted with them and we only complain about it in these echo chambers.

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u/Namika Nov 14 '22

My personal favorite ban was from the-donald.

I got banned for posting a relevant passage of the US Constitution.

Apparently the American Constitution itself is "liberal shilling."

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u/colexian Nov 14 '22

Apparently the American Constitution itself is "liberal shilling."

Well, i'll say only one side took the Confederate Flag to the capital on Jan 6th.
Clearly some people are still upset about some of the 'newer' amendments regarding whether humans are property or not.

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u/MaybeTheDoctor Nov 14 '22

"Repeal the voting right for women" /s

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u/AlkoKilla Nov 14 '22

I mean, they are very loudly advocating for violation of the 26th amendment.

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u/HxH101kite Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

I posted in conservative asking a question in the comments that pretty much destroyed their argument. And then for commenting there I got banned from like 10 other subs automatically.

I also got banned from entertainment because I posted a relevant source with a few links that disproved whatever agenda the mod was pushing. I asked the mod to clarify via messenger and all they said was I was wrong and it's hurtful, yet they would provide no evidence or explain how their view was correct.

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u/SMS_Scharnhorst Nov 14 '22

you realise that the problem here is that other subs ban people only because they participate in a sub that goes against their opinions, right?

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u/HxH101kite Nov 14 '22

Yeah I guess I just don't get it. Like if you can't have your opinion challenged, you kinda can't exist in society.

Someone challenging an opinion is a normal part of everyday life.

In my case it didn't even make sense to be banned from the other subs, because my participation in conservative was literally spouting the subs that banned me viewpoints.

In the case of the entertainment one, that mod seemed to just be a control freak who liked to silence people.

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u/justabadmind Nov 14 '22

The Donald, a subreddit that was banned for being a nasty place

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u/MeestarMann Nov 14 '22

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

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u/Strategicant5 Nov 14 '22

I mean that sub is literally just Russian bots, hard to believe there’s any genuine people on that shithole

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Nov 14 '22

It’s definitely worse for a sub called r/politics compared to a sub called r/conservative, as the latter is advertising that it has a certain political leaning–whereas the former isn’t. Also I’m on the left but I‘ve gotten banned from a non political sub just for not being partisanly left enough .

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u/FiendishHawk Nov 14 '22

You can discuss right-wing politics on r/politics you just can’t be racist or post false evidence… if you want to do stuff like say you are pro-life or hate taxes you can do it - there are plenty of conservatives doing that.

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u/RiD_JuaN Nov 14 '22

There is not a sub where civil discussion can take place.

there's plenty, you just have to know where to look

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u/freerangepops Nov 14 '22

But you keep that secret? I would love to know where civility is hiding! Please share.

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u/Scuta44 Nov 14 '22

Why not give examples?

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u/RiD_JuaN Nov 14 '22

I don't want you people to invade my safe spaces

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u/Xogoth Nov 14 '22

I've not been connected to any subreddit or forum space that was particularly right leaning, but I can say most leftist spaces are echo chambers with a twist; they fucking love to split hairs and murder each other.

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u/Huge_Strain_8714 Nov 14 '22

well, I was banned from the r/LGBTQ sub.

OP was complaining bout the replies to their post.

My response was "so you posted your personal, intimate feelings on the internet and it didn't go as planned?"

Welcome to Reddit, FYI I'm a gay man.

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u/SirVW Nov 14 '22

Ok but op what was your opinion because lots of people say that, but actually were just spreading misinformation

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u/F1DrivingZombie Nov 14 '22

It was something along the lines of gun control and how I believed our more open laws we were going towards were the correct direction, with evidence from other countries that when you arm and train circle a crime drastically decreases, as well as places that have the most violent gun crime in the US tend to have the strictest gun control in the country

It’s been a while though so I don’t remember too much of the details

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u/Extension-Ad-2760 Nov 14 '22

Thing is... as someone from the UK... I have pretty good evidence (IE my life) that anti-gun laws are really, really good for not getting killed by guns. I can say with certainty that if a criminal invades my house they will not have a gun. I'm VERY happy with this situation.

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u/SirVW Nov 14 '22

Ok that's not nearly as bad at i thought it was going to be.

Don't get me wrong, i think you're incorrect based on what I've seen, but people shouldn't get banned for being wrong that's insane.

I hate r/politics too, but because it's too America centric. Same with r/news.

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u/RiD_JuaN Nov 14 '22

places that have the most violent gun crime in the US tend to have the strictest gun control in the country

not exactly a good argument, the reason they have the most strict gun laws is because they're the most violent, but people just circumvent them by going out of state and returning with weapons

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u/Fennicks47 Nov 14 '22

So, they presented crummy 'evidence' peddling right wing disinformation, then were upset when they were banned for spreading disinformation.

And now they get to say, they were banned even when providing evidence! Of course, not mentioning that evidence came from breitbart or something, which is why they were tossed out.

Freaking genius.

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u/Comical_Lizard Nov 14 '22

I like how people asked you what you said. To give the people what they wanted you told them what you said and they down vote you anyway. Truly a "you asked my opinion and you got it but you want to be mad about it anyway" moment.

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u/curiouscat86 Nov 14 '22

they're probably being downvoted because they're wrong about guns tbh. which isn't how it's supposed to work but that's reddit for ya

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u/TheNewManRisen Nov 14 '22

I’m literally not a “right wing” person and I’m banned from most subs that lean very far left for simply asking things like “don’t we do this same behavior tho ?”

It’s not different in far right subs either. Unless you act like a fully brainwashed simpleton and act like whatever political party you’re talking to can do know wrong and are perfect angels, then they shut down any ability to talk to you or view you as a human being.

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u/cmdrchaos117 Nov 14 '22

I was banned from the conservative sub for saying Idiocracy was a warning and not an instruction manual.

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u/TheNewManRisen Nov 14 '22

I bet you were , it’s the easiest task in the world to get banned from any political sub that is a majority one party or the other

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u/burgerpoo123 Nov 14 '22

I don't think you should have been banned but that was basically just an insult. Not really the same as stating an "incorrect" opinion.

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u/E0H1PPU5 Nov 14 '22

Usually when people make “both sides” comparisons it’s things like:

Liberals: “We hate Donald Trump and think ge should go to jail”

Conservatives: “We hate minorities, women, and LQBTQIA+ people and don’t believe they should have human rights”.

And then some pseudo-centrist comes along and says “sEe, BoTh SiDeS aRe InToLeRaNt!”

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Nov 14 '22

I got banned from r/TheRightCantMeme because the post was calling a right wing meme a strawman with the meme claiming that left wing people believe you can’t be racist towards white people. There were many people in the comments calling this a strawman. I pointed out that many people on the left do think that you can’t be racist towards white people–and despite previously most people in the comments calling this meme a strawman, they then proceeded to argue with me that you can’t be racist to white people (confirming what the original meme they were making fun of was saying).

I just pointed out that this kind of rhetoric can be used to play defence for and downplay hateful acts such as assault, rape or murder of white people based on the colour of their skin due to them arguing that this wouldn’t be racist and these wouldn’t be racist attacks even if a white girl was raped because she was white or a white man was assaulted or murdered because he was white. I got permabanned for suggesting that we should maybe not use language that plays defence for and downplays violent attacks, rapes or murders of white people based on the colour of their skin.

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u/Crizznik Nov 14 '22

Yeah, the whole "you can't be racist against white people" thing is a bad look. I get where it's coming from, that "prejudice+power=racism" and that without power, prejudice has no punch and therefore is less severe. I get that, and do actually agree, though trying to redefine such a well used word as "racism" away from a generalized prejudice based on skin color is questionable at best. Just come up with a different term. It's especially ineffective when you hear stories about white people having racist attacks against them in the two or three places in the country where a community will have a black majority population. It's an easy optics win for racists when you deny that black people can be racist against white people when you have examples of just that. Pointing out that the number of time white people suffer from racism from black people is FAR outnumbered by the opposite, while true, does nothing to help with the optics of the situation. It's best to not die on that particular hill, imo.

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u/monkabee Nov 14 '22

Yeah I joined a neighborhood political discussion group and I just seem to enrage both sides by virtue of being unwilling to pledge my undying allegiance to a side and never question or call out bad behavior. I simultaneously get PMs accusing me of being a Q conspiracist AND of being a Socialist, because apparently the act of questioning or disagreeing indicates you are not One of Us.

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u/Basic-Entry6755 Nov 14 '22

I’m literally not a “right wing” person and I’m banned from most subs that lean very far left for simply asking things like “don’t we do this same behavior tho ?”

Mmm gonna press X for doubt on you being a 'leftist' actually.

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u/TheNewManRisen Nov 14 '22

Most of my political opinions lean far more left than right tho idk if I would be classed as a “leftist” or not , but I know for a fact I wouldn’t in truth be classed as a “right wing” person. You can doubt that all you like , literally any Republican or democrat just assumes I’m on the other side when I don’t say “This political party is perfect and has never done anything wrong , it’s ideology is flawless and there are no holes in it”

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u/im4lonerdottie4rebel Nov 14 '22

No left leaning person would say that our party is flawless lololol

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u/TheNewManRisen Nov 14 '22

Saying that , and behaving that way , are two different things. Like literally right now , it doesn’t matter what I say I believe in , For even suggesting that both parties are doing something wrong , you and just about everyone else that’s commented is already instantly assuming my political identity for me. “I press x for doubt” or whatever other cringy little beat around the bush meme line one can produce “huhuh, no left leaning person would ever do this”

And it would be no different with a bunch of Maga or Republican types either, they would just tune it out and say “You sound like a liberal” “a real Republican would never say this or that”

Interesting to even have a thought like that , “a REAL member of my political party would NEVER do this or that” yet simultaneously hold that you aren’t apart of a hive mind type political structure.

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u/RiD_JuaN Nov 14 '22

the reason why people are still saying that is because you haven't explained the take that got you banned.

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u/im4lonerdottie4rebel Nov 14 '22

I hear you, but there are many different branches within what people consider left and no one is happy with leaders completely.

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u/grumpypantsoldman Nov 14 '22

This guy proving your point for you.

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u/pelmasaurio Nov 14 '22

See, that's the main issue here, no leftist likes the democrats a bit, the dems are a center party, there is no way you didn't catch up to the fact that lefto and democrat are two very separarated groups, so,no offense i don't believe you put much thought or attention on the subject.

Calling the dems left is like when you're surrounded by football fans and you try to blend in,unsuccesfully

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u/sundancer2788 Nov 14 '22

I got banned from a right leaning local sub when I posted something (with evidence) that the mods didn't agree with. I can still see the sub just can't reply or post. I'm good with that

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u/RayCarlDC Nov 14 '22

Is it actually evidence though? I'm not American or a particularly political person. But my knowledge of right-wing politics is basically they're racist idiots.

Now, anyone with some sense would doubt such a strong and negative tag, but they voted for Trump, was basically supported by Russians, invaded their own congress, etc.

With this much evidence, I do believe American right-wing supporters are just racist idiots.

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u/WilsonStJames Nov 14 '22

I got banned from r/Conservative for agreeing with Ron DeSantis that a border wall around Florida would've slowed the spread of covid.

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u/jimtitan Nov 14 '22

You can be banned just because a mod doesn’t like your comment, even if you back it up with data. That said I’ve been banned from others because I was in a bad mood and wouldn’t agree with someone who turned out to be a mod.

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u/Gov_Martin_OweMalley Nov 14 '22

And they will actively protect misinformation accounts as long as they are pushing the right agenda. If you try to call those accounts out, your comment gets removed, if it even shows up in the first place.

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u/giltwist Nov 14 '22

Yeah... the whitelist on that sub is...asymmetrical in the opposite direction.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

oh okay thats a good explaination thanks!

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u/history-fan61 Nov 14 '22

How do you define left and right? I am downvoted often by those who call me communist/socialist/fascist/denier/liberal and it seems idiotic to me. It is possible I am not the whole problem so perhaps neither are you.

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u/penswatter Nov 14 '22

Also, they'll straight up ban anyone who doesn't agree with them

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u/mycleverusername Nov 14 '22

This is correct, but it also answers the question of why is politics just U.S. politics? Shouldn't it be for world politics in general? Well, I think it was supposed to be, but the Americans overran it.

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u/Suka_Blyad_ Nov 14 '22

Reddit users are upwards of 50 percent American so it makes sense

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u/RogueAOV Nov 14 '22

Also have to add that it is an English language subreddit, so it is going to lean away from many countries by default. Not many multilingual German speakers are going to post on there hoping a fellow multilingual German speaker has thoughts on some recent German legislation when there (presumably) is a German language political subreddit.

So r/politics is pretty much going to be overloaded with American, UK, Australian etc politics in general.

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u/keithmk Nov 14 '22

Ignoring the views of the minority?

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u/Worf65 Nov 14 '22

It's one of the early subreddits. The site is currently around half Americans but in the early days it would have likely been almost all Americans since it's a website started by Americans in America. So that's the default for longtime subs like r/politics and r/news

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u/mikey_weasel Today I have too much time Nov 14 '22

Pretty much yeah, though with less hostility I'd say? Like its more disinterest and apathy. Same effect in the end

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u/godcyclemaster Nov 14 '22

More simply, the mods just ban being on the right wing

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u/Londonforce Nov 14 '22

I mean, also the mods just outright ban literally any slightly right wing post or comment

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u/Comfort_Lettuce Nov 14 '22

People get banned in politics for making right wing talking points.

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u/3971_KTL Nov 14 '22

Nobody cares about downvotes. I care about being banned for an innocent opinion that they don't agree with. These people just constantly see their beliefs reinforced and think that is representative of America(im not even American) as a whole. They will be shocked in the real world.

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u/Ironfingers Nov 14 '22

It’s not a lean anymore it’s a full blown tilt.

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u/Sharp-Statistician17 Nov 14 '22

Then they go start r/conservative, and make 90% of the posts "conservative only" so they can ban anyone that posts a link disproving their bs...

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u/sassryn Nov 14 '22

Ultimately this along with mod interference in political subs. Same reasons why r/conservative and such get further and further far right til they're banned. The more active extremes are generally rewarded far more with anything else being pushed down

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u/Possible-Reality4100 Nov 14 '22

Now this happens for a while and the right-leaning people get frustrated with the downvotes and migrate elsewhere.

So right now its more like 90 left/10 right, so anything right wing is buried quickly.

(yes its much more complex than this but just simplifying).

100% this.

Try going into a Marvel thread and expressing some mild disappointment with their latest movie. No matter how reasoned/nuanced your take is, the downvotes kill any real discussion.

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u/a-horse-has-no-name Nov 14 '22

The responses in this thread are generally assuming everyone on reddit is from the United States and answering the question as if the contributors to r/poilitics are representative of the kind of punditry you'd see on FOX or NBC. That's wrong.

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u/Meisterleder1 Nov 14 '22

The overton window in the US is shifted WAY to the right so anything that would be considered "left wing" in the US would be considered "center" in most of Europe while everything that would be considered "conservative" in the US would be very far right in most of Europe.

To give you an idea: Bernie Sanders would be considered center to moderate left in Germany and a lot of the things he's asking for have been passed by center left/right coalitions quite a while back and are perfectly normal for most of Europe.

It's all a matter of perspective, I guess.

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u/Kayneesy Nov 14 '22

r/politics is only about the US. I doubt anyone from outside the US would visit that sub

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u/Meisterleder1 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

I do and am not from the US. Quite a lot of people that are not from the US are interested in US politics actually. For one because they will also (unfortunately) end up affecting the rest of the world but mostly because it's like watching a really bad car crash. You just can't help but watch the carnage as it unfolds before your eyes, watching in disbelief. And it also makes you feel A LOT better about your own situation, kind of like trash TV. "Well ... At least we are not like THOSE guys!"

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u/ContributionNo9292 Nov 14 '22

Sweden checking in. I comment there frequently.

Like it or not, your batshit crazy domestic politics affects the rest of the world.

Take climate change, not really known to respect international borders. One party wants to pretend it doesn’t exist and if it exists it is not that bad and if it that bad there is nothing we can do about it.

Take Ukraine, one party is openly discussing ending the support to Ukraine.

The list goes on.

The reverse is also true with EU politics. USB-C decision for example.

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u/Primordialpoops Nov 14 '22 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Brighten My Day

As a non American, most left leaning american politicians would be too far right for even some of our right wing parties. Reddit already leans left but so does the majority of the western world

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u/DeliriousHippie Nov 14 '22

I'm also almost amazed about leaning to 'left-wing'. I'm from Finland and our biggest right wing party is more left than Democrats.

Nationalize all, or almost all, corporations.

Make yearly limit for income.

^Those are real far left opinions. Not these:

Tax billionaires

Universal healthcare

^Those are standard in most countries.

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u/pdxbator Nov 14 '22

Omg exactly! I'm an American who has lived in Germany at points in my life. Not a single German friend I know wants to get rid of their universal healthcare or social safety net. It's because they are empathetic. As far as I can tell republicans are just assholes and don't care about anyone.

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u/4CrowsFeast Nov 14 '22

Canada use to be like this. Now Trumpism has been adopted by most our conservative politicians

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u/Stock_Rush2555 Nov 14 '22

Right? politics skews American "left" because america equates good ideas and progress with being "left"

Conservatism is retarded. Time moves forward. So should we.

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u/a-horse-has-no-name Nov 14 '22

This is the actual answer. People are talking about "echo chambers" within their own communities, but reddit is a global institution, which means that viewpoints are going to consider non-Americans as well. So OP's insistence that r/politics is "left wing" is bugged because it includes commentary that is considered completely centrist views from more socialized societies like Canada, UK, France, or Germany.

Also, reddit skews young, and as demonstrated recently, young people skew more progressive.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

There are places FAR more right wing than america, non-american includes every part of the spectrum

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u/OrSomeSuch Nov 14 '22

Yeah but American right wingers don't welcome comparisons to the middle east

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Nov 14 '22

This is only true for economics. For social issues, a lot of the left leaning politicians in America would be way to the left of most parties in Europe.

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u/Redqueenhypo Nov 14 '22

For real, stuff like “the Romani are people” is probably considered a far left opinion in a lot of Europe

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u/Meisterleder1 Nov 14 '22

Out of curiosity: Could you name a few of those issues and the stance of democrats on those?

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u/Drum_100704 Nov 14 '22

As an American it fills me with so much frustration whenever an American "centrists" complain about Democrats "moving further left."

If you were actually a centrist you would LOVE that the Democrats are moving to the actual fucking political center

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u/myTABLEStheyreFILTHY Nov 14 '22 Silver Gold

The pretension in this thread is unreal.

The truth is it’s liberal because Reddit is a mostly liberal demographic and the voting system of Reddit is conducive to creating echo chambers. Polarized people think they have a monopoly on morality and drown out any voice of dissent because they feel they have an imperative. It’s not just liberals, it’s human nature.

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u/itsjusttts Nov 14 '22

Anthropologists might argue that this is how societies began to form

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u/Fit-Anything8352 Nov 14 '22

I thought that was when you took control of the food supply and started charging everyone for it, and now you're suddenly rich and control the local government and start employing people to work for you.

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u/GracchiBros Nov 14 '22

The Reddit voting system (well, peoples' misuse of it) creates an echo chamber effect where people that hold the majority opinion get top visibility and and attracts others that hold such opinions while those with unpopular opinions in that sub get hidden and dissuades others that share that view.

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Nov 14 '22

The mods also frequently ban people with heterodox views.

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u/RoboColumbo Nov 14 '22

The secret ingredient is banning.

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u/thevoiceinsidemyhead Nov 14 '22

The states is so right wing that views that would be seen as right wing in other countries are still considered left leaning to americans...

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u/Sewati Nov 14 '22

In This Thread: a bunch of people who conflate democrats & neoliberal capitalism with leftism. the two are not the same. at all.

in most of the world, American Liberals are right-wing. capitalists are by definition right wing.

bring up some explicitly anti-capitalist talking points on r/politics... like actual left wing/leftist thought… do that and see just how “left” that subreddit isn’t.

hate to break it to you, you are a right wing guy if you think democrats/US liberals are leftists.

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u/Konukaame Nov 14 '22

I'd ask you to define the terms first, because I don't see anyone in there pushing "fully left wing" politics. It's center, maybe center-left at most.

I'd call "fully left wing" positions like outright communism or socialism, which gets no real traction either there or anywhere in the US. And no, Republican hyperbole that calls every tax communist, and every government program socialist don't count, because that's delusional.

So, again. What is "100% pro-left" in this context?

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u/THE_R3D_HOOD Nov 14 '22

Mods straight up ban anyone with divergent views.

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u/FoundationNarrow6940 Nov 14 '22

Yeah, I commented on a post about a drag queen who was arrested for having child porn on their computer. This drag performer was also mentoring a child who was doing drag. One poster was confused about the term "drag mom".

Apparently a "drag mom" is typically an adult man who mentors another adult man about drag. At least, that's what I found from google. No idea if that is the typical use of the term but it seemed to be the case.

I said that this time, the "drag mom" in question was mentoring an actual child - all facts of the case - and I was banned for "alt right propaganda".

I shared no divergent views, no anti-drag or anti-trans views, nothing more than informing someone that the term "drag mom" usually refers to a mentor of a drag performer, and this time it happened to be a child, so the term "mom" was oddly fitting though a bit confusing.

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u/KeyEntityDomino Nov 14 '22

People generally know more about social issues than fiscal/economic ones. I THINK most redditors are millenial/gen z. The majority of these generations (including myself) lean left on social issues like abortion/trans rights/healthcare. I think thats why r/politics is the way it is. Not enough people are equipped enough to discuss fiscal/economic policy, otherwise I think you'd get more variety in political leanings.

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u/Billbobugger Nov 14 '22

It's tough to be right wing here because of the rules! No hate, bigotry, hateful speech, proselytizeing and all talking points that appeal to the ideological always "right"

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u/S0m4b0dy Nov 14 '22

Least biased reddit user

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u/Skrungus69 Nov 14 '22

It seems more way more centrist than left wing to be fair. Although mabye im reading too much into the whole overton window thing in america.

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u/a-horse-has-no-name Nov 14 '22

It seems more way more centrist than left wing to be fair. Although mabye im reading too much into the whole overton window thing in america.

This is correct. The left wing in America is considered wholly centrist accepted views in most other countries.

In the USA, saying "everyone should have free healthcare" is considered wildly left-wing, whereas in Sweden, it's just normal because they've had it forever.

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u/thesaltwatersolution Nov 14 '22

British person here. Just want to say that free health care and abortion aren’t issues here. We have them and it’s all good. Our Conservative government passed through gay marriage rights when David Cameron was PM. America Democrats seem pretty centre slight right leaning to me.

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u/ben505 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22 Gold Faith In Humanity Restored To The Stars

Reality has a liberal bias. Conservative ideas typically do not stand up to scrutiny and are frequently rooted not in facts or evidence but by religion and more abstract concepts rather than best policies for most people. This is a fact, and idk if you’ve seen someone post something factually wrong on the internet but it doesn’t go very well. This makes the internet a not very safe space for conservatives, they have to carve out more intentional echo chambers to reside in.

And because in the US, “centrism” is actually on the right so folks like you get co fused and think everything is liberal.

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u/all4Nature Nov 14 '22 Gold

This should be the top answer.

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u/TheChatotMaestro Nov 14 '22

Maybe it’s just a more popular opinion, bro

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u/BreathAgreeable2604 Nov 14 '22

When the right gets back to actual politics then maybe you'll see more of them.

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u/roygbivasaur Nov 14 '22

“Why is r/politics so centrist and people don’t like the modern GOP platform of hatred and suppression of personal liberties?” is the actual question here, and it answers itself. They have run the past 3 elections on platforms that the majority of people in the US do not agree with if they actually read and discuss them.

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u/Surviving2021 Nov 14 '22

Why does this same question pop-up every week? Karma farming? Trying to start something? Rule of thumb for asking a question is to see if it was asked before and read that first.

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u/ScaryMonsters721 Nov 14 '22

Nope. Reddit, as a whole, is only superficially left-wing and just supports like smoking weed, free healthcare, and maybe LGBT, which might as well be considered communist incarnate in the US, even though these stances are considered moderate by most countries or standards.

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u/yaloo84 Nov 14 '22

Because its censored to all hell

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

Because Reddit leans left

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u/Hyi10 Nov 14 '22

Its weird, I find this with loads of different forums I am on - cycle forum - left wing, AV forum - left wing, motor forum - left wing etc etc

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u/idontwannabeatwork Nov 14 '22

Because any dissenting opinion gets down voted to oblivion or banned. I was banned for bringing up hunters laptop on a story about his laptop. Perm ban for misinformation....turned out to be true.

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u/dangercdv Nov 14 '22

There are a ton of subreddits that are fully left wing. The problem is that so many mods are, and they push out opposing ideals. r/WhitePeopleTwitter and r/News are two that are embarrassingly far left for some reason as well. I say that because they will regularly post lies, photoshops, or propaganda pieces that make the right look bad and even when one of their own calls it out for being false, they get banned. I personally was banned for pointing out lies in both, and not even in a negative way.

Im fairly center and ive noticed the left wing LOVES their echo chambers. If you have different politics, they will kick you out. The right has a much higher tolerance for it and love to debate you more than anything, but left wing people stay away from them. This has lead to polarized subreddits. This is of course a generalization and not representation of everyone on either side.

Its also a pretty good example of why you should be getting any sort of news from multiple sources that are on both sides of the fence.

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u/czarczm Nov 14 '22

I don't think it's that Left Wingers love echo chambers more, there is probably little difference if you take into account the whole population of "leftists" and "rightists". The phenomenon probably occurs more online in places like Reddit because of its strong left lean, it kinda forces you into two corners. When someone gets heavily scrutinized on an opinion two things happen in a place like this you either double down without much thought and find a place no one will actively fight you on the things you say, OR if you choose to continue to exists in a space like Reddit which largely disagrees with you, you probably come up with ways to defend your beliefs.

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u/Newsdriver245 Nov 14 '22

There are also no shortage of other places for right wing to hear what they want to hear outside of Reddit.

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u/clemjonze Nov 14 '22

Reality leans left. That’s why. Plus we’ve all been banned from conservative subs for daring to question the status quo.

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u/Helpful_Praline493 Nov 14 '22

Posts from r/politics are generally fact checked within hours either by mods or users and those that aren’t deleted by mods are usually nuked by downvotes.

Left wing debate uses more peer-reviewed sources of citation than right wing debate (who focus usually on a single source) and fact checking favors left wing/left of center information because of this.

The sub is also populated largely by <45 years of age Americans, who lean a little under 60% liberal and make up most young voter bases and a large percentage of online interaction on social platforms. Conservative values are declining with each youth generation and a large portion of conservatives are middle age or elderly and do not use Reddit or are quarantined either by choice or by mod action to the conservative subreddit.

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u/Inmonic Nov 14 '22

It's less left than you think. United States politics are just so far right, that 90% of ideas seem like left wing ideas to someone in the US. In reality, and for the rest of the world, many of those ideas are centrist or slightly left. They might even be right wing ideas everywhere else, but are considered left wing in the US.

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u/_sealy_ Nov 14 '22

Probably due to the fact that it’s easier to stick around when people aren’t “shooting holes” through all of your conspiracy theories.

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u/JustBrowsing49 Nov 14 '22

Because of Reddit’s user base as a whole. Young, unmarried, online, social engaged. You don’t see many blue collar factory workers with a family on here.

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u/dbclass Nov 14 '22

Blue collar factory workers lean left, but I think American's definition of "left" is way too broad, to begin with. Even r/politics has huge arguments between liberals and leftists the same way other subs have liberal vs conservative arguments. r/politics is not an echo chamber, they're just not conservative. There are arguments between liberals and leftists all the time and people call out Dems on the sub all the time.

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u/littleliongirless Nov 14 '22

This just isn't true. Most of the subs I subscribe to that aren't TV or movie based lean older and are still left. In many of them it's because there's a higher international population, which means even further left than the US.

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u/Callec254 Nov 14 '22

It's a moderator-enforced echo chamber.

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u/frumpbumble Nov 14 '22

It's absolutely ridiculous how biased the sub is. The mods don't give an inch, unless you accept everything the most left of the left say you'll get mobbed and banned.

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u/sppf011 Nov 14 '22

People say this but even mentioning socialism gets you downvoted in most places on reddit

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u/hoosierlifter88 Nov 14 '22

Ever wonder if instead of the sub being ridiculously biased you just have ridiculously unpopular opinions?

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u/frumpbumble Nov 14 '22

Yeah of course.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

Because we can read and write

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u/Concrete_Grapes Nov 14 '22

Since like 1988, republicans have won the national vote ... once.

The US (the primary country of residents of Reddit) already leans naturally leftish. The US house and the US senate get millions more votes for dems than republicans, even when the chambers end up near 50/50.

The political landscape is far more left than it appears at face value. The same 50 republican senators represent just 24% of the population, whereas the dems represent 75%--ya know? It's ALREADY that biased in real life.

And then you get to the internet, where you cant use the cult of personality, quick, glib insults to keep your presentation of ideas on their feet. The internet values a display of evidence (i mean, trolling too, sure, but ... not in political subs and threads and posts so much). This sort of thing HEAVILY biases the left leaning folks in nearly every possible way--all the fucking time--because the evidence of nearly everything in the political world DOES favor the more left side. When people study problems, the conservatives ideas just don't pan out. They dont work--or dont work as well as this other thing that the left has adopted as their ideas. So--often, when presented with the evidence, a person on the right will leave rather than have to change their opinion, or, turn to the personal insults and cult of personality thing, and get banned. How many times, have some of us broken down a deatailed explanation of some political thing and had the righty we're talking to say 'but clintons mentor was a klansman'--like, fuck dude, i dont give a shit about that and i dont know why you do, and it has no bearing on anything ever.

So, it's easier to ignore people that refuse to engage, cant bring evidence to engage at your level, or when they come, they subscribe to a cult of personality rather than an actual political stance.

So, they remove themselves, either because they cant admit they're wrong--wont drop the cult of personality shit (or wont stop from trying to pin one on you), or resort to insults that get them removed.

It's just ... the nature of the sides, i think. Systemic and personality wise.

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u/heisenberger888 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

TL;DR it is not, but fascists aren't welcome here. For an American or Canadian, I can see how these things get confused

Might not be a popular answer but it just isn't. I might assume you're writing this from an American perspective, possibly Canadian, and the fact is that in both countries there really isn't any strong leftist party and leftist politics are generally demonized, partially due to a linger paranoia created by the cold war. Remember that every person in the US and Canada over the age of 45 was told the communist might nuke them at any moment and were taught that the concept of communism and therefore, any far left policy, is inherently evil and somehow counter to our culture.

It's not though, it's just a different political ideology that places the value of human life and happiness over the extraction of maximum profit from all resources available.

Also, I'll be honest that right wing ideology is kinda anti social. The whole ideas of self reliance and personal responsibility make it a bit less likely to turn to a place like Reddit for advice for conversation. I also find many people on the right dont like to interact with those who don't agree with everything on their political agenda and will attack you personally for it.

So with all of this, the Overton window has shifted farther and farther to the right in our society. To the point that, by many measures, inequality today is worse than before the french revolution, any immigrants are demonized and we have cut all the taxes for the rich and all the programs for the poor. In Canada at least we recently had a debate over whether the government can just take away a workers right to strike and legally force them to accept a contract with low pay.

When the right wing has gone so far right that they are pretty much, by definition, fascists, they tend to break the terms of service for plenty of social media platforms because their ideas are inherently violent or question the rights of certain groups of people to exist. So, since hate speech isnt allowed on Reddit, they're forced into 4chan and whatnot

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u/xMrBryanx Nov 14 '22

Left wing for American politics maybe. Left wing Americans are considered to be centrist in most actual left leaning countries. Now apply what actual left leaning people think on a global scale that uses the internet/reddit. It's easy for US conservative talking points to be downvoted and buried when lately they are; "Russia is right for invading, Abortion is bad lets ban it, They are coming for our guns, Trump will save us, Teach religion in schools and I'm anti Woke" Present better talking points and ideas that resonate on a global scale and this will change in time. The midterms in the US country was a prime example of this. Things just aren't resonating with anyone outside of conservative views. It's like playing metal for a bunch of Beatles fans and dead heads and wondering why people don't like it.

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u/john_modded Nov 14 '22

Reddit is majority left. If anyone presents a right wing idea it gets downvoted hard. So the right that is here usually keep their ideas to themselves

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u/mcagood1 Nov 14 '22

Just curious, is there a left leaning equivalent of r/Conservative?

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u/Zeke161822 Nov 14 '22

Because Reddit is a liberal circle jerk.

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u/mikepoland Nov 14 '22

Because they ban anyone who posts anything even slightly right.

This I turns creats an echo chamber where they keep feeding each other leftist ideas. I was banned from a few subs I've never even been on because I am subbed to the Conservative subreddit(they made it clear in the mod message they sent when banning me).

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u/blazezero25 Nov 14 '22

because the mods are left, lol

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u/IGotBigHands Nov 14 '22

My guess is the mods are and they ban anyone who has a different view point. I’ve been banned from many subs because of different opinions. I wasn’t even breaking the rules or being rude.

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u/Psithurism541 Nov 14 '22

Because people have a different opinion than the left get silenced

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u/imreallybimpson Nov 14 '22 Starry

Admins are left wing so they ban anything/anyone who doesn't agree with their world view

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u/dan1101 Nov 14 '22

Because any conservative views get shouted down, shamed, and downvoted into silence. Which has led to the remaining conservatives becoming more resentful and defiant.

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u/Odd_Vampire Nov 14 '22

Because that's where the leftists hang out. (I'm a leftist myself.) Maybe at some point it was balanced and objective, but if so, it was so long ago I don't even remember.

Now it really is something of a propaganda echochamber. I participate in the sub, but I can tell.

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u/TheLaserGuru Nov 14 '22

Because the extremes of both parties want safe spaces where they don't have to think too much about their assumptions. Posting something mildly liberal in r/conservative will get you banned...posting something mildly conservative in r/politics will get you hundreds of down votes. They are both echo chambers for people that don't want discussion.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

Yes but its like conservative is obviously gonna be a conservative subreddit, but /r/politics is supposed to be ''the subreddit for current and explicitly political U.S. new'' like it says on its page, but it is only left wing stuff. And theres /r/Democrats for the left. For me /r/politics is supposed to be the middle of both where you can discuss things with different views but instead its completely left wing and this was just weird to me and thats why i asked this quetsion

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22 Bravo!

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u/iama_bad_person Nov 14 '22

from a global perspective r/politics is squarely center.

Hahahahahahahaha

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u/LeanMrfuzzles Nov 14 '22

It is nowhere near the center. That's a lie.

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u/F4ur_ Nov 14 '22

And he mentions from a “global perspective”, which in reality means “Western World”. To think r/politics is squarely center in a global perspective is incredible naive

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u/hoosierlifter88 Nov 14 '22

The things you think are “left wing” aren’t actually that “left wing” at all.

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u/stolencatkarma Nov 14 '22

is supposed to be the middle of both where you can discuss things with different views

The GOP hasn't had a platform in years. Not really much to discuss

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u/WoodenPicklePoo Nov 14 '22

Yeah this is a lie. I am conservative, and criticize conservatives all the time in r/Conservative and I havent even been temp banned. If by "mildly liberal" you mean calling conservatives evil fascists then yeah you might get banned, and you should.

I also go to r/politics and while i dont get banned, its very obvious you are downvoted for anything even remotely conservative. In fact, I have no way of knowing for sure, but I would bet my left and favorite nut that its bots based on keywords. There's just no way downvotes can roll in as fast as they do organically.

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u/cascadianpatriot Nov 14 '22

I got banned from r/conservative for saying John McCain was a war hero and good conservative.

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u/davidmsterns Nov 14 '22

I got shadowbanned from r/conservative after saying conservative≠regressive. And outright banned from r/Republican for something trivial too. They're snowflakes.

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u/Elkenrod Nov 14 '22

Mods of a subreddit can't shadowban users, only Reddit admins can.

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u/WoodenPicklePoo Nov 14 '22

x for doubt. (i honestly have no idea about r/republican so i wont comment about it).

how can you even prove you were shadowbanned for a specific comment?

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u/headzoo Nov 14 '22

Mods can't even shadowban users. Only reddit itself can shadowban. Anyone saying they were shadowbanned for a comment is most likely full of shit.

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u/WoodenPicklePoo Nov 14 '22

dude is definitely full of shit, i just wanted them to prove it (which, I know they cant).

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u/neil_billiam Nov 14 '22

Myself as well.

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u/ThiccBananaMeat Nov 14 '22

I'm not a bot. Why don't you share your opinion and I'll let you know if I upvote or downvote?

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u/WoodenPicklePoo Nov 14 '22

I'm not a bot.

sounds suspiciously like something a bot would say.

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u/Sharo_77 Nov 14 '22

If it helps, I thought this was hilarious. Have a vote to bring you level

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u/LazySyllabub7578 Nov 14 '22

I got banned by saying we should encourage Muslims to own guns.

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u/Guilty_Coconut Nov 14 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Because it has standards for bullying, lies and human rights.

When you enforce honesty and kindness, you automatically force out most of the right wing. For the most part, it is not possible to defend right wing ideas honestly.

Also, it’s a perspective thing. More than 50% of redditor aren’t american and for a big part, the entire political spectrum of the world, even the far right, is to the left of the democratic party

Most of the world hopes for the democratic party, not because they’re left (because they’re not) but because they’re the lesser evil of two completely rotten parties

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u/nosleep4eternity Nov 14 '22

It’s an echo chamber. Dissenting voices are censored.

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u/masonbellamy Nov 14 '22

Lolololol if only free speech existed...

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u/0hip Nov 14 '22

Try post anything conservative and you will be banned. Mainstream conservative positions are called hateful and banned very quickly by the mods.

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u/size12shoebacca Nov 14 '22

Some mainstream conservative positions are hateful though... that's why they get called that.

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u/QanAhole Nov 14 '22

I think there's now so much right wing propaganda that just making any logical comment is labeled as "leftist" even if it's common sense. At this point it's people with a brain and then conservatives

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u/atomicpete Nov 14 '22

It has to do with the Trump voters that ruled Reddit back in 2016. Any wiff of conservative thought is now either banned or down voted until non existent.

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u/samjohnson2222 Nov 14 '22

Why?

Probably because most people don't like the fascist, racist agenda. Also because the right has no real agenda when it comes to governing for all the people. Hell not even their own people. You think they give a shit if their voters can't afford to go to the doctor,hospital or afford their medication?

They run on the same shit. Immigrants, guns ,gays and Christian religion.

No care on really improving the conditions that people all people need improvements on.

Other than drilling a shit load of oil wells to see just a few cents knocked of a gallon of gas.