r/antiwork Sep 26 '22

Landlord wants to evict tenants for having A/C set to under 75 degrees.

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u/420blazeit69nubz Sep 26 '22

As someone who has held the highest HVAC license, if your unit can’t handle 70 degrees then it has an issue that requires fixing.

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u/Codyics Sep 27 '22

My thoughts exactly. They probably just don't want to pay to have it fixed properly. The HVAC company has probably had that discussion with them, so it will be in the service records. I'd definitely contact them myself to find out so I can have evidence if the landlord tries anything.

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u/Ordinary-Ad-4200 Sep 27 '22

"Sir.. this will save you money down the road." "I don't want to pay for it." - I hate cheapskates.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

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u/joremero Sep 26 '22

Yup, not an HVAC expert, i was hoping to read from one here, but it should properly drain

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u/searchforstix Sep 26 '22

We always run our aircon at 18C in hot australia. Why’s your shit freezing? Seems weird.

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u/HerrDresserVonFyre Sep 27 '22

A few things can cause freezing...

Stat set too low when outdoor temp is low

Dirty filter / low airflow / fan speed is too low

Low refrigerant charge

Dirty evaporator coil

I just had to get up on my roof to work on my own AC yesterday because it was freezing up in 98⁰ weather. Ended up having a filthy filter and a low refrigerant charge.

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u/Jkj864781 Sep 27 '22

Belt comes off the motor, that’ll do it too

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u/Howwasthatdoneagain Sep 27 '22

I don't know how you cope with 18 degrees. I find 21 degrees too cold and 23 to be perfect. Heck in summer I sometimes only have the dehumidifier on without the cooling.

(Queensland resident - you know - beautiful one day, perfect the next) Except when it is hot humid or cyclone season.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

I’d assume that if ACs couldn’t run under 75 degrees, they wouldn’t even allow you to set it below that on the thermostat lol.

Landlord is just being a cheap bitch.

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u/mamaxchaos Sep 26 '22

My old landlords locked the thermostat that was in their shitty upper floor they illegally made a duplex, we lived in the bottom floor (basement they wouldn’t call a basement) and had to ask the other tenants to adjust it if we were hot before they locked it. Then we had to ask the other tenants if they were okay with landlords entering the property so unlock it so we could adjust it.

All of this in Georgia, which is famous for being humid, hot swamp ass territory 75% of the year

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u/Narrow-Window7264 Sep 27 '22

There's a landlord in my area (west Virginia) who controls the thermostat. Last year a woman i work with who lives there had to go stay with a relative for a few weeks because he didn't turn the heat on & it was mid-November & colder than usual for that time of year too. We have a state law here in WV that says if the landlord controls the thermostat, they have to start providing heat beginning October 1st until, I think, April or May 1st. I told her about the law - even showed it to her online - but she was afraid to even say anything to him. (I know another guy who lived there for a while & said they'd come in his apartment when he wasn't there & went through his stuff.) One thing I can't stand is a landlord; especially shitty ones like that.

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u/CaraAsha Sep 27 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

Yep. I lived in an apt where 4 units were run off 1 thermostat. I was told the apt was kept at 75 which is a little warm for me but I can deal with it. The apt was usually 88 or higher. The landlord blew me off constantly, so I left. We found brown recluse spider nests in multiple areas and the a/c broke then flooded my former apt less than 2 weeks later. It wasn't because of me, but I was glad shit finally got fixed!

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u/oopgroup Sep 26 '22

Bingo.

And they’re obviously not actually fixing the problem, just putting duct tape on their shit unit.

Classic landlords. Maximum profit, minimal effort.

They could have replaced their crap HVAC with a modern system and probably saved themselves money at this point. But god forbid they actually have to invest in their privileged rental.

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u/lahsma Sep 26 '22

Someone should tell em that's not how contracts work

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u/tsfkingsport Sep 26 '22

Depends on how landlord friendly their state is and the exact terms of their contract. On paper they won’t say it’s because of the AC but they could just write something in there and nobody in power would care.

Kind of like firing people for reasons not actually listed on the paperwork. Sometimes backfires but for the powerful it often works.

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u/disabledreplies Sep 27 '22

Taking your landlord to court is generally cheap, if not free.

You will tie it up for at least another month before the court date. Probably at least 3 with the way courts been working lately.

And even in a landlord friendly state, a landlord regretting throwing in paid bills isn't going to get anyone to end a contract early.

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u/Meddygon Sep 27 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

legit the landlord's own fault for including utilities AND not fixing the underlying issue. how does AC "back up" is what I want to know.4

edit: y'all I know about coil freezing, I work in building automation. I've never heard anyone call it "backing up".

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u/BeagleWomanAlways Sep 27 '22

I’m guessing the coil gets frozen. The issue isn’t the 70 degrees, the HVAC unit has some other issues.

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u/Meddygon Sep 27 '22

I work in building automation and have to explain this to people almost daily. My wonder is what does "back up" mean to the landlord and how would they explain to anyone that's something other than "I don't want to fix it"

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u/ShadowMel Sep 27 '22

I work in a hotel and I guarantee it's the coil getting frozen, and that it's getting frozen because it's not in good working order to begin with. We have multiple HVAC units (one for each room) and they are often set under 70 (I swear to god some guests set them at "hell freezing over") and have yet to hear one complaint about the HVAC being "backed up". But hey, that's because we maintain our machines.

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u/benfoldsgroupie Sep 27 '22

Me and my partner are some of those people - to sleep comfortably under the blankets at hotels, which feel like they weigh what I do and I also turn into a radiator in my sleep, I need the AC set to something right around frostbite temps.

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u/davenport651 Sep 27 '22

My wife can get nauseous and vomit trying to sleep at anything above 65. I never would have believed it until I met her. I never knew that was a thing.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Town_80 Sep 27 '22

It could also be a shitty PTAC unit and the water tray under it gets gunked up with dust and other degree and won't drain so water can end up coming out of the front of the unit into the space.

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u/Dry_Spinach_3441 Sep 27 '22

Because it's cheap and old like the landlord.

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u/myowndad Sep 26 '22

That’s just the ethos for this subreddit

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u/cive666 Sep 26 '22

They could terminate the contract if the tenant agrees.

They would probably have to offer a cash for keys deal.

But no, they can't just say leave or make life miserable for them to force them out.

Suck it up and don't renew the lease.

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u/2020IsANightmare Sep 26 '22 Wholesome

There are two options here:

1) The guy is full of shit

2) Time for a new HVAC unit

I've owned my home now for probably 6-7 years. Literally never ran my AC at 75 degrees. Usually at 67 or 68.

I've had it break down once. The repairman said the part that went bad was - no shit - $7 or $8 bucks.

If we're to believe this guy's story, he's spending at least $2k a year for AC upkeep for a single unit.

You have shitty equipment. You could start not having utilities included in rent, but it's still shitty equipment. You could start having them pay for utilities once their current lease is up, but that doesn't fix your shitty equipment.

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u/jambrown13977931 Sep 27 '22

Even if it’s not included in rent, if I’m not mistaken, the HVAC maintenance should be a responsibility of the landlord. Running AC at 70F is normal wear and tear, so the tenant shouldn’t be charged for the HVAC breaking down.

If this bothers the landlord they should stop renting or raise rates to accommodate their costly maintenance fees (probably find that tenants aren’t gonna want to rent there as their market rates would likely be too high and end up stuck trying to rent a property no one will lease)

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u/UncannyTerry Sep 27 '22

Running an AC unit, according to my father-in-law who retired as a union HVAC guy, between 66 and 82 is considered normal wear and tear. He retired about 10 years ago, and machinery has come a long way since then so I’m sure the equipment this guy has on their rental unit is either ancient or already broken.

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u/Blue_Collar_Worker_ Sep 27 '22

Yes, that's normal levels. Only issue is when people take it to 60 in the summer or 90 in the winter, but that's a mild chance of a compressor blowing.

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u/Paverunner Sep 27 '22

Pretty sure the previous response was basically saying that the landlord needs to replace his shit. So no arguments on who’s paying for the HVAC…

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '22

That HVAC operator is absolutely overcharging the landlord for what is probably just emptying a drip tray. There is no way that should be happening that regularly.

I celebrate that HVAC tech for doing the lord’s work. Shouldn’t own a property if you can get fleeced so easily.

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u/janeohmy Sep 27 '22

HVAC operator probably isn't charging that amount, but landlord is claiming that amount is being charged so they can appear more sympathetic

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u/ambush_boy Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

They're not fixing the issue if they have to come out twice a month...

Edit: I misread that, it's every two months

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u/Binnacle_Balls_jr Sep 26 '22 Silver Gold

Professional HVAC tech here. Having your ac set to 70 is not the cause of a "back up" (whatever that means). There is something wrong with this thing and the landlord doesnt want to pay to fix it. Hes leaving this part out (the tech probably tells him this every time they come out)

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u/NotFallacyBuffet Sep 26 '22

"back up" (whatever that means)

This had me going "huh", too. All I could think of was that the chilled water was freezing, but don't see how that could happen in nonfreezing weather.

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u/KFiev Sep 26 '22

Happens with my a/c. Our corner apartment faces sunset, so it heats up pretty bad past noon, which means we have to run our a/c pretty much all the time and lwave bedroom doors open. Theres also likely a leak in the ducts so the hallway and living room/kitchen get really cool while the bedrooms stay pretty consistently hot, so inevitably the heatsink for the air intake will freeze over with a sheet of ice. Easy fix though, just turn off the cooling function for about 30 minutes and turn it back on, usually wont freeze over again until early morning

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u/ratchet26 Sep 27 '22

That's not a "fix", that's a workaround in lieu of actually fixing it. If it were to be fixed, it wouldn't require intervention or jerry-rigging and you could run it 24/7.

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u/Zeropointeffect Sep 26 '22

Could it also be the case of a too small of a unit for that space causing the unit to constantly run and the coils to freeze?

Not HVAC guy but dad was you pick up stuff. Either way cheap ass landlord problems.

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u/bb12_22 Sep 26 '22

another HVAC tech here, if the system was undersized, it just wouldn't be able to cool the space enough. if it's freezing over, there is a major issue causing it from a low refrigerant charge (which could mean there's a leak, especially if they constantly need to fill it), a blockage in the copper lines, dirty coils...

this landlord doesn't realize that it's not the tenants that are causing the issue, it's the AC system with the issue.

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u/Steve_78_OH Sep 26 '22

I was talked into getting an undersized AC unit like 20 years ago, and when it got into the 90s or higher (I live in Cleveland, so that tends to happen during the summers) my AC couldn't keep up. So when I had it set to 72 degrees, it would be in the high 70s, low 80s.

I'm actually glad that thing died and I got a correctly sized AC.

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u/longhairedape Anarcho-Syndicalist Sep 26 '22

And by extension, the landlord is causing the issue because they are refusing to pay to resolve the issue correctly.

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u/Salty-Noise3002 Sep 27 '22

It amazes me how stupid and wasteful the wealthy can be in their frugalness.

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u/raspberrih Sep 27 '22

Saving pennies and losing dollars. Almost a given in small/medium business owners

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u/longhairedape Anarcho-Syndicalist Sep 27 '22

I use to work as a service electrician. The amount of times people would refuse to do the right work for the band aid fix that ultimately end up costing them more was too damn high.

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u/AZEngie Sep 27 '22

I work as an elevator tech. It's so scary how many elevators have band-aids and not actual fixes.

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u/Grouchy-Place7327 Sep 27 '22

Dude I'm a building engineer and getting you guys to answer my emails or come out for REUQIRED service (my elevator emergency call doesn't give location due to old system) is impossible.

Also with my company same thing. They want to band aid a lot of stuff rather than fix it to save a little bit of money, but end up costing them way more.

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u/dandanthetaximan Sep 27 '22

That makes me want to take the stairs.

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u/iciclesblues2 Sep 27 '22

Im pretty sure most home warranties motto is, if its broke, band-aid it.

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u/Blue_Collar_Worker_ Sep 27 '22

I own a small business. Lot of time it's on the customer. Landlords or whatever want the cheapest fix instead of the right fix. I oblige because I like money, not my problem if it fucks up again soon.

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u/atreides78723 Sep 26 '22

It’s not that they don’t realize. They’re probably look for an excuse for other reasons.

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u/Littlelisapizza83 Sep 27 '22

Yes exactly. An illegal unjustified reason. Shitty landlord tactic #551.

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u/walker_not_tx Sep 26 '22 Helpful

We have a rental house, and the A/C there had a similar issue. It was an old unit, and some previous owner DIY remodeled things in several weird ways. Long story short, there were 3 paths for air intake but only one with a filter.

Only the main, "correct" intake in the door was really visible. The other two were pretty obscure, and it took us years to realize the issue. When we still lived there, we just made a point to clean the coils every month. No big deal.

Our first tenant happened to have 3 big hairy dogs. (I believe the correct term is fluffen-püpper.) We only figured out the root issue when fur piled up inside the A/C closet despite the filter being relatively clean.

We wound up replacing the unit. In the meantime, we got a portable A/C unit to keep the tenants cool. At no point did I ever consider blaming the tenants because my A/C unit had issues.

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u/oopgroup Sep 26 '22

Right? Lol

Like how utterly absurd of a mindset is that?

“Here’s this place I own, please give me money to stay here! What? My appliances are broken and don’t function properly? Omg you owe me money!!”

Imagine if companies tried this with products.

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u/DemetriChronicles Sep 27 '22

Isn't that what they do when the warranty expires and the product needs maintenance?

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u/professorlust Sep 27 '22

Except technically you own the product you aren’t leasing it.

A better comparison is leasing vs owning a vehicle.

nominally if you lease a vehicle and stay inside the maximum miles for the lease you’re not responsible for abnormal repairs like transmission etc

But the extended Warranty on a car you buy is a trap

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u/This_User_Said Sep 26 '22

Hell, ours messed up from the drain not... Draining at a rental.

We were advised to flush it out, prevent moldy stuff building up again and blocking it. Never had a problem since.

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u/filthy_harold Sep 27 '22

Ours has a PVC pipe going from the unit to a floor drain. When we first moved in, the previous tenants had never bothered to swap the wrong sized filter they installed (folded in half and jammed in the slot). The pipe had filled up with a bunch of wet dust because the filter was basically not being used so it clogged and water would just leak from around the bottom. The whole floor in that utility closet is covered in some weird scale or dried up nasty shit because of the water on the floor, the water also damaged some drywall too. I took the pipe off and held it up to the hose. It took a couple seconds but then this black ball of goop shot out the end of it. Now that I use the right size filter, I haven't had to clean the drain pipe in a long time. The coils still have a bunch of crud on them but the system works well enough so I haven't bothered to get it cleaned. I get a deal on the rent to act as a super for the house.

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u/fuhgdat1019 Sep 26 '22

I’m a guy that has used A/C before (many times).

I’d listen to this dude because they sound like they have the training and knowledge, which is probably why they became an HVAC tech. 👍🏻

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Sep 27 '22

Meaning too pricey for the landlord who “knows what they’re doing” they “bought the right model” and they’re not going to “pay a sucker to rip them off.”

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u/JayTylGra97 Sep 26 '22

After this reading this thread I now believe I’m ready to become an HVAC tech.

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u/dirtymonny Sep 27 '22

Good luck it’s fucking he’ll work. Do you enjoy AC at all? Ya you never get to experience it when you are the one to fix it. Also attics.

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u/globsofchesty Sep 27 '22

Haha this is the part I hate; all summer I never get to be in AC cause I'm either repairing it or installing it

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u/Binnacle_Balls_jr Sep 26 '22

If all else on the install is proper, a system that is too small for the space would never freeze, even if it ran 24/7/365. The coil would always have enough load to produce a proper superheat at the compressor inlet.

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u/potatopierogie Sep 26 '22

Landlord probably painted the inlet vents shut

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u/Binnacle_Balls_jr Sep 26 '22

Not likely unless he is ant man, painting inside copper tubing. The compressor inlet is a brazed pipe joint.

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u/TrippingPawns Sep 27 '22

I think he's saying painted return vents closed. Low air flow will freeze your coil.

Can never have too much return.

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u/codeh1989 Sep 27 '22

I think it was a joke about landlords painting over everything and calling it new. It's common in America because most landlubbers are cheap scumbags.

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u/craftworkbench Sep 27 '22

Right. That's why I exclusively rent from sealords. Much more reasonable, though the dollar-doubloon conversion rate has been killing me lately.

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u/Zeropointeffect Sep 26 '22

Thank you! I always enjoy learning something new.

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u/Tru-Queer Sep 26 '22

There should be 29-31 slices of pepperoni on a medium 1-topping pizza from Domino’s or 39-41 on a large 1-topping. If you have less, they didn’t portion your pizza correctly and you can absolutely demand a remake if you so desire.

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u/Zeropointeffect Sep 26 '22

stop haha made me chuckle just no random subscriptions to cat facts daily.

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u/Tru-Queer Sep 26 '22

You are now a moderator of r/badcatfacts

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u/Photomancer Sep 27 '22

You may find it unbelievable that kangaroos are technically members of the cat family.

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u/JayAnancyi Sep 27 '22

By marriage though.

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u/emrbe Sep 26 '22

If you wanna learn something else random….LED stands for “Light Emitting Diode” and LCD stands for “Liquid Crystal Display”

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u/Fun_Fingers Sep 27 '22

As a current HVAC tech and former Dominos driver, this information is 100% accurate. Just want to reiterate this only applies to 1 topping pizzas for anyone bored enough to read my comment.

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u/Trd_1904 Sep 26 '22

This is a fact. I deal with this in my house every august/September. 500 plus electricity bill for a unit running 24/7 to enjoy 78-81 temps but my line set never freezes

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u/SteelJoker Sep 26 '22

To add on to this, what would happen would be that it just wouldn't cool enough. Same if you could set a thermostat to 40F (with an outside temp in the 90s), it just wouldn't get that cold, it'd just run 24/7.

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u/Kidiri90 Sep 26 '22

Or the tech guy is scummy and sees an easy 350 every 2 months. This does not absolve the landlord from any wrongdoing in this situation (biggest one being a landlord), but it's possible there're more scummy folks involved.

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u/Tigerdragon180 Sep 26 '22

...maybe he's meaning frozen line. Which could be caused by an old unchanged filter limiting air flow maybe.....but yeah idk here either

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u/Vfef Sep 26 '22

My guess was improper draining hose install. 2 months of water not fully draining can cause things to grow and create a blockage. Having a tech come out and clean out the drain tube and service the unit, 350 isn't unreasonable for that.

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u/Major_Dinner_1272 Sep 26 '22

Pour a little vinegar down the drain tube once a month and no buildup. If it does get clogged I just hook my air compressor up to the drain tube and blow it out. Takes 1 minute and I'm in no way good at fixing things.

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u/brp Sep 27 '22

The fact that you own your own air compressor makes me think you're probably okay at fixing things.

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u/dirtymonny Sep 27 '22

My husband has been doing hvac for years and years- you know what he does for this same situation? Puts his mouth on the pipe and blows. Yes it’s nasty. He is too lazy to dig out extra stuff when he can do this in 2 seconds. He also prefers this method now because he can “feel the back pressure” and knows how bad it was clogged. No tools required my friend

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u/milton_radley Sep 26 '22

ive never heard of an ac back up either, ive only dealt with automotive ac, but that's not a thing?

maybe a clogged drain, but that could never warrant those "repair" bills.

most likely his electricity bill went up as everyones have.

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u/MiniMooseMan Sep 26 '22

Hvac also here, came to say the same thing lmao

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u/librarysocialism Zivio Tito Sep 26 '22

The HVAC guy is telling the landlord each time "I can put in a new unit for 2K, or I can fix it for now for $350". And the landlord is choosing to kick the can and blame the tenant each time.

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u/No-Corner9361 Sep 26 '22

There is a 100% chance that this is exactly what is happening. Scummy landlord clearly cheaping out.

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u/Elipticalwheel1 Sep 26 '22

In the U.K., the landlord was blaming my daughter every time the boiler broke, kept getting it fixed, three months later it broke again. The boiler was 10 years old. He reluctantly got a new one fitted, after he couldn’t get breakdown cover on the old one. Just another greedy landlord.

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u/Bunniiqi Sep 26 '22

The house my friend and I rented last year got black mold after the big melt in the spring, meaning the foundation of the house was cracked. It took me a month of begging the rental agency to send someone to fix it and they didn't fix it.

Instead they literally patched the massive hole in the wall, like covered it and called it a day and tried to charge us! Oh and my room was the closest, I got really sick because of it.

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u/Front_Plankton_6808 Sep 27 '22

Is there any way to take them to court for unsafe living conditions? I know nothing about those types of laws, but I do know that black mold is a SERIOUS hazard to your health, and can have long term consequences.

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u/EmilyU1F984 Sep 27 '22

Sure, if you are rich you can fight them.

But seeing the slumlord conditions of landlording, the tenants likely can‘t afford a year long legal fight.

So the landlord wins.

Should just force them to switch places in these Kinda situations. If they themselves are poisoned by toxic mound maybe they‘ll be faster to fix the problem rather than covering symptoms…

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u/Mikeinthedirt Sep 26 '22

Nah, only 95%. 5% AC guy is buying a boat and needs a hand.

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u/Ele_Of_Light Sep 26 '22

Typical slumb lord

My old landlord was stingy and never fixed anything right and we had repair men at the door often...

New land lord just paid the 3600 to fix the electrical problem and works like a charm I can now run anything without frying many breakers

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u/Mikeinthedirt Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

Hard to believe you’d cheap out 3 1/2 grand, that’s chump change for electrical.

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u/Ele_Of_Light Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

It was multiple lines on several breakers... they just added a sub panel...

Probably depends on area plus some areas are more expensive

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u/SomeOtherTroper Sep 27 '22

It was multiple lines on several breakers... they just added a sub panel...

Ok, yeah, that's sounding more like a $3600 job: no pulling new wires, just putting in a new subpanel next to the existing panel (probably in an unfinished space where there's no pesky drywall or other crap to fuck with), installing the right set of breakers (both in the subpanel and a much larger breaker in the main panel going to the sub panel), hooking everything up correctly, make sure it works, and you're done.

I've done a bit of electrical work, and I'd be willing to bet materials were at least 1/3 of the cost there (breakers aren't cheap, and panel boxes aren't exactly inexpensive), $1800-ish labor costs to the client (a job like that shouldn't take very long, and you can have a Journeyman do the bulk of it and then someone with higher qualifications inspect and sign off), a few hundred in profit/overhead (and paying for materials the electrician just has in stock, but didn't purchase specifically for the job, it's not like you charge for every wire nut out of the big jar, or every foot of wire off the big roll you've already got)...

Seems pretty reasonable, and cheaper in the long run than having multiple repair calls over a long period of time.

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u/chubbysumo Sep 26 '22

not really, depends on the market. I can get my whole house rewired with a 40 slot breaker panel for $5600.

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u/TraditionalSky5617 Sep 26 '22

Hmm. I wonder when the A/C unit was installed.

If it’s icing over, it seems there’s not enough air flow at one (or both) of the heat exchangers if the unit has been re-filled with a CFC-free refrigerant the a/c was not originally designed to use…

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u/thelastspike Sep 26 '22

Where do you live that an AC unit is only $2k?

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u/EcksonGrows at work Sep 26 '22

Got a 2.5 ton with equivalent furnace replaced for 4k this summer. Probably not too far off that price for compressor. Northern Virginia. Sometimes the pendulum swings backwards.

These are high volume warehouse operators that buy the units in bulk and have an "installer" take care of it, which are generally off the clock HVAC guys. no permits pulled, which thank christ, new codes say I cant have my own ac close to my own house because it might annoy me.

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u/hopbow Sep 26 '22

For my 1000 square-foot house to replace the HVAC and compressor was $9000 in southern co

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u/Chw1981 Sep 26 '22

We got a 1.5 ton combo unit a few years ago for $3k installed in the southeast. Trane quoted us something like $10k but we checked around and went with a different brand.

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u/CantBeMadifYouBad Sep 26 '22

The code regarding that isn't for sound levels. There is a required area of work for hvac condenser units so that any technicians can access all sides of the unit.

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u/Sample_Muted Sep 26 '22

Uh that’s weird when new units are typically very quiet

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u/maxstrike Sep 26 '22

Codes are never about that. They are usually for safety, and occasionally for functionality. There needs to be a certain distance between the unit and the structure so a HVAC tech has room to safely work. And room to back up if stuff goes sideways.

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u/DankMemeMasterHotdog Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

I got a shitload of kickbacks and rebates for installing an energy efficient AC and that brought it down to like 1.5k

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u/LtLawl Sep 26 '22

It was $5K for a brand new furnace & AC unit for me, ~1450sq ft house.

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u/kelvinduongwa Sep 26 '22

landlord buy the unit. $2k for the installation.

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u/RoughTrust9992 Sep 26 '22

Agree! The quotes I’m getting range from 12k to 25k+ for central AC! It’s outrageous!

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u/Rossdog77 Sep 26 '22

Your have to be quoting for new duct work yes? Thats absurd. It cost me over 4K total to get a new AC installed. We didn't need new ducts.

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u/OtterChrist Sep 26 '22

I work in HVAC and get 1.5-2.5 ton units with heat pumps at around 1800-2300 from the supply house. North Carolina.

Edit: added “ton”

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u/cmatheny7 at work Sep 26 '22

That's just job security for the HVAC guy lol

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u/IsadorCZ just tired Sep 26 '22

Once every two months

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u/DasB00ts Sep 26 '22

Yeah 70 degrees is also not even that low, so it shouldn’t be shitting the bed like that.

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u/Chaotic-Stardiver Sep 26 '22

No wonder the landlords pissed, though. The AC unit should never shit the bed.

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u/Calli2988 Sep 26 '22

And there have been record breaking heatwaves across the world this year.

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u/Sci_cry Sep 26 '22

HVAC guy here, the landlord has a leak in either the condenser, air handler coil, or the copper lines if it happens every two months.

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u/mkovic Sep 26 '22

She's in the wrong but it can be a tough issue to fix. I think she's referring to the condensate drain line getting clogged up with bacteria, which is a common problem in hot humid places during the summer when there's a steady trickle of water through the line. The easy fix is to take a hose and flush water through the line from the outside until the flow is restored, but replacing the line with a bigger one can be pretty costly. However, she might be getting ripped off by the HVAC guys to come out and do what she or the tenants can easily do in 10 minutes.

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u/Anguish_Sandwich Sep 26 '22

condensate drain line getting clogged up with bacteria

I think it's algae

Once cleared, the drain line would stay clear by putting a capfull of bleach into the drain line every month. If the landlord wants to extend the life of the AC, maybe they should visit the rental unit monthly to take care of these tasks themselves.

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u/Valyrian_Kobolds Sep 26 '22

Or just put an algaecide tablet underneath the condensate drip in the pan. I literally just did that today for some big commercial units.

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u/Varulfrhamn Sep 26 '22 Helpful

Landlord: "I aSsUmE tHe RiSk!"

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u/xXxEcksEcksEcksxXx Sep 27 '22

Translation: "I assumed there was no risk"

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u/TexMexBazooka Sep 27 '22

“I assume the risk until it actually costs me anything, then it’s your risk”

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u/shelballama Sep 26 '22

My favorite comment honestly.

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u/StockTalkAccount Sep 27 '22

They see being not able to evict as the very risk they are talking about

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u/throwaway-boxer Sep 27 '22

"pRopERtY UpKeeP iS ExpEnSIvE"

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u/YellowSaylor Sep 26 '22

So the landlord wants to kick out a perfect tenant because he/she doesn’t want to buy a new HVAC system? Policing the temperature in the home of a paying tenant is borderline prison treatment. How disgusting.

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u/PoppaBear313 Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

Also bc they shot themselves in the foot by including electric in the rent.

Really, I want that landlord. I was lucky to get one that rolls the water/sewer into my rent. Mind you, I’ll run that ac at 66 at night, 70 during the day. Screw that 75 bullshit

((Edit)) note for everyone with the 😳 66/70 degrees … that’s the hypothetical the landlord pays the electric. Stow your self righteous fury. I’m not murdering the planet all by myself. I’d need to own a few huge inefficient fish slaughtering factories for that..

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u/Jazzlike_Crew_3956 Sep 26 '22

I had a landlord that included utilities up to a certain point. If you went over the cost they would charge you that. I rarely did, but if it happened it was like 50 bucks.

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u/am19208 Sep 26 '22

That sounds pretty fair. Though I have no idea why a landlord would include utilities in rent since they aren’t static.

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u/LA2Oaktown Sep 26 '22

To avoid installing a separate meter, especially if it is an non-permitted 2nd unit.

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u/magevampyre Sep 27 '22

My landlord charges upstairs 60% utilities and downstairs 40% utilities on their quite likely not 100% legal extra suite. That’s a pretty common arrangement in my area. Miss the days when I had a unit in which utilities were included.

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u/throwaway177251 Sep 27 '22

What happens when the downstairs tenant gets into crypto mining?

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u/Misterandrist Sep 27 '22

We got free gas and electricity for a few months because we found out the shared laundry in our duplex was pulling from out meter. City came in and said the landlord had to pay it until they got a new meter installed.

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u/DoctaStooge Sep 26 '22

If you know the average cost per month for utilities is say $300, you can charge $400 and pocket some extra money, and have coverage for when it spikes. It's all about profit.

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u/kevin0carl Sep 26 '22

Simplifies bills for the tenant too. Only one bill instead of 3-4. Also allows for centralized heating and the like.

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u/Heavenfall Sep 26 '22

No, it sounds terrible. Low actual bills from providers? Landlord keeps the difference. High bills? You're up, bucko.

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u/mine_username Sep 26 '22

My new favorite saying:

Privatized profits and socialized losses.

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u/rathead80 Sep 26 '22

My current landlord has my rent at 800$/m everything included even 1.5Gbit internet. Mind you I have like 600sqft. He told me before I moved in the floors could be replaced and I wouldn't be able to bring my pets. Just a bit over a month ago he got us into a tenancy hearing. I've never been late on rent and kept the house relatively clean. Obviously if I am working 12 days of 12 hour shifts do not expect me to put my shit away perfectly. And don't be mad when you peek through my window and see me totally naked cleaning the house three days before the AC Unit is to be installed during a heat wave.

He never complained that anything was not done correctly but the hearing was for me declining the renoviction because he did it improperly and agreed, and that we admitted to peeping in.

I live in a province where renovictions need to be done in good faith and agreed upon. Also in what fucking world does redoing a 3x7ft bathroom (sheetrock, cheap flooring and amenities), flooring in a 11x9 room and the 5x6 living room take 8 months.

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u/WayneKrane Sep 26 '22

My whole house was built in 5 months, it would have been in 3 but some supplies were back ordered. Taking 8 months to do some floors is absurd unless they’re working just a few hours a week.

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u/qviavdetadipiscitvr Sep 26 '22

Nah even if they didn’t include electricity in the rent, the A/C would go out as it clearly needs replacing

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u/PoppaBear313 Sep 26 '22

Or at least a decent servicing by a qualified person.

Fn landlord probably looks at the 1 time replacement cost & thinks “no. That’s too much”. Totally forgetting that it breaks every few weeks

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u/qviavdetadipiscitvr Sep 26 '22

Yup, he’s the moron for paying $350 ever 2 months

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u/Substantial_Review81 Sep 26 '22

Next tenant they’ll just exclude electricity bills from the rent.

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u/Away_Location Sep 26 '22

They'll have to get a new HVAC system then.

If I'm going to be paying my utilities, a landlord can't have any say in how low I can set my temperature.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

They can’t have any day anyway. This guy is clearly not fit to be a landlord.

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u/ReferenceAny4836 Sep 26 '22

Ehh. Electricity is usually included in rents when retrofitting another meter is too expensive. There's a lot of potential solutions to this problem.

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u/dsdvbguutres Sep 26 '22

What does AC backing up mean? 70 is a legitimate setting option put there by the manufacturer so if the unit cannot handle it, the landlord should get rid of his hvac guy, not the tenant.

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u/desubot1 Sep 26 '22

im going to guess its the condensation drain pipe.

which shouldnt clog unless its not maintained properly.

this landlord is a pos.

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u/dsdvbguutres Sep 26 '22

The hvac guy is running a clothes hanger up the pipe and collecting 350 each time. Ka-ching MF

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u/yet-4nother-tosser Sep 27 '22

Even better use a shop vac. Soooo easy.

Source: I was backed up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

Or freezing up. Still an AC should be able to handle 70F no problems.

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u/The_Maddest Sep 27 '22

Change the furnace filter or unclog the condensation drain pipe. Two most common reasons for freezing up.

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u/ohyoumad721 Sep 26 '22

Yeah. A. Fuck that landlord. B. He's got a shitty HVAC unit if it can't handle 70.

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u/ahsataN-Natasha Sep 26 '22

I was just thinking that. Dude should get his ac unit fixed if it can’t handle room temperature.

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u/ohyoumad721 Sep 26 '22

I don't know the weather where they are but 75 is warm for a lot of people. I like to be cold but I also hate how much our provider costs so my house is at 73 in the warm months. If cost were no object it would be like 68.

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u/CaptainKraw Sep 26 '22

In Arizona we set higher during the day unless your house has fantastic and very up to date insulation. It would in fact be very expensive to keep a house under 75 in the middle of the day when it's a real casual 115 outside.

I'm not at all trying to excuse the landlords behavior though. That's a hvac system that needs to be updated and the whole house needs to be checked for efficiency leaks. Where I live we have the same thing going on right now

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u/solidSC Sep 26 '22

I live in Arizona as well and my wife is home most days so she keeps it at 72 during the day. Our house isn’t big and we pay over 500 for electricity during the summer months.

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u/AradynGaming Sep 26 '22

Get better insulation. A friend talked me into blowing $1k of insulation in the attic, and that $500 bill dropped to $200. Paid itself off in 1/2 summer.

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u/solidSC Sep 26 '22

I’ll have to look into it, our insulation looks obviously old as hell and there’s not any crawl space up there so they could probably fill the bitch all the way up.

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u/CaptainKraw Sep 26 '22

Yeah buddy it's insane. My portion of the utilities was 170 last month, and that's 1/7 of the amount. Our house isn't necessarily big but it's not small and has a lot of rooms and the common areas are very open. It's old and hasn't been taken care of well because the owner doesn't even live in the state. A/C is so expensive for us.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

Dry heat, no matter what, is always better than humid heat, even if it’s 10°+ hotter. I’ve lived in maryland for part of my life and Colorado and surrounding areas for another part.

I’d rather die than go back to the east coast where you sweat by going outside for half a second. If my house is 75°F or higher in 85°F-105°F weather with 100% humidity I would drown in a puddle of my own sweat if I haven’t already drowned from the water droplets making the air feel heavy when I breathe.

On the contrary, I can be outside for an hour plus in dry 90°F+ and be fine. Hardly a drop of sweat. I used to not even use AC in the summer in southern CO. I would just heat in the winter.

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u/ibanez450 Sep 26 '22

Maryland here… I can confirm our summer air is composed of hot soup.

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u/Zulias Sep 26 '22

Grew up in Maryland. Maryland 75 is Nevada 98. Confirmed.

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u/CaptainKraw Sep 26 '22

That's the damn truth. I grew up in Indiana. It's probably not as bad as the east coast but it's for sure humid. Those sticky, disgusting high humidity days left a pretty profound mark on how I judge my comfort level

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u/Zakkana SocDem Sep 26 '22

Yeah. If he's spending so much on AC repair, it's a sign be needs a new AC unit.

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u/TaiDollWave Sep 26 '22

This was what I was thinking. Shouldn't an A/C handle 70? And if those tenants are paying their own electric bill, then it sounds like he needs a new HVAC.

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u/ohyoumad721 Sep 26 '22

Pic says utilities are included. That's probably the landlords major gripe. Increased utilities = decreased profit.

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u/nhosan_gatech Sep 26 '22

I mean who asked you to include the utilities in the contract lolol! Stupid ass landlords.

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u/BasedAutoJanny Sep 26 '22

Landlord is illegally renting out a closet, and there probably isn't even a paper contract to begin with.

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u/Capital-Cheesecake67 Sep 26 '22

So lets do the math $350.00 x 6 because it happens every two months equals $2100. We just bought our last HVAC for $11,500. It’s warranted for 10 years. Out last one went over 15 years. So for less than half the yearly amount this AH could have a brand new more efficient (saving money on the utilities he’s paying for) new unit and no more hassle getting it fixed. Yeah F him. He doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on. Hope the tenant is close to the end of the lease cause I could see him causing problems over every nit picking little thing until the lease is up.

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u/EntertheHellscape Sep 26 '22

Seriously, he’s going to have this issue every year with every tenant. Esp with rising summer temperatures. Cheap ass just needs to eat it and buy a new unit.

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u/Gremlin87 Sep 26 '22

Maybe I'm just huffing copium but if I upgrade my rental and pay 10k it really only costs $6500 cause of the tax write-off. So it doesn't seem that bad.

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u/WynnGwynn Sep 26 '22

Slumlord doesn't fix issue just like every landlord

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u/Not_a_bi0logist Sep 27 '22

And they act stupid when the tenant decides to stop paying rent because there’s black mold everywhere.

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u/BigBobFro Communist Sep 26 '22 Helpful

The AC gets “backed up”???

Im guessing hes actually referring to the condensation trap drain.

Thats basic maintenance!!!

Tell them to get a $1 bottle of vinegar from the dollar store and run it through once a month when they change the filter.

Landlord dont know how to even landlord good. Derp

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u/ArsenalSpider Sep 26 '22

Not the tenant's problem. Perhaps don't include the power bill in the lease. He doesn't mention that they had agreed to abide by his temperature determination in the lease. Besides, he doesn't live there. Maybe it needs to be set that low to keep it a few degrees higher than that. Also, they have a right to like whatever temperature they want it set at. This guy is slimy.

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u/mattchuckyost Sep 26 '22

This is rich coming from a management company called BRRRR Invest

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u/DreJDavis Sep 26 '22

It backing up is not the tenant's problem. Pay the money to fix your asset. It's the least you could do since another human being is paying off YOUR property. You clearly have a tenant because you CAN'T AFFORD it otherwise.

Being a landlord is not a job. It means you bit off more than you can chew.

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u/TheFudge Sep 27 '22

You are an idiot. Replace the unit or keep getting raped by your hvac person. This is not your tenants problem this is YOUR problem.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

Lol. Ac units don’t “back up” wtf is that.

Get on a proper filter schedule and make sure your condensation is draining properly.

Oh. Maybe condensation can back up?

Mine goes right into a floor drain.

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u/uGotSauce Sep 26 '22

Landlords are ticket scalpers for things required to live. They purchase a house, with all the value it has to offer society already created, and then charge people the highest amount they think they can get to rent or sell.

Then they try to artificially increase that amount by buying up all the nearby properties and doing the same with them and saying “Look! All the other houses nearby are just as expensive. That must mean the price is correct and reasonable. 😊”

Fuck landlords. Literally leaches on society.

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u/RunKind4141 Sep 26 '22

Landlords do end up taking units that could be on the market and hoarding them for profit.

Housing for profit is causing so much of the housing shortage and homelessness. Literally tens of million of units investor owned.

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u/am19208 Sep 26 '22

I’m fine if someone owns a single unit or moved out and rather than selling they lease it out but I hate that people will just swoop in with ridiculous cash offers on otherwise affordable housing and cause a massive knock on effect for everyone else in the housing market

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u/MrPenguins1 Sep 26 '22

Which is honestly amazing how there are no laws against it

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u/RunKind4141 Sep 26 '22

There should be laws against giant investment firms like blackrock buying entire neighborhoods and turning them into rentals.

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u/yojoerocknroll Sep 27 '22 Helpful

how the FUCK is this antiwork? What does this have to do with a shitty employer?

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u/FearSkyDaddy Sep 26 '22

Overarching issue is, no this isn’t an eviction worthy event. Landlord needs to fix it. It’s not unreasonable to have ac at 70 degrees.

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u/HeebieMcJeeberson Sep 27 '22

I used to have an AC that ran fine 24/7 for the whole summer. The landlord could just buy a decent one instead of wasting money on the one they installed.

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u/Imperial_Orange Sep 26 '22

I'd move the temp from 70 to 69

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u/tsukiyaki1 Sep 26 '22

What exactly does it mean to have the AC “back up”?? It’s a pump that circulates refrigerant and a fan that blows air.. do they mean the condensate that drips off gets backed up and leaks onto the floor? That could be as simple as a dirty coil because landlords use $1 HVAC filters. Either way, it’s nonsense.

A properly sized ac unit should be able to handle under 75* just fine.. it shouldn’t run “24/7”, and if it is the energy bills would be out of this world and it means it’s too damn small for the needs of the house.

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u/Embarrassed_Bee6349 Sep 26 '22

That sounds like this douchenozzle needs to upgrade his HVAC system, not that he has bad tenants. He is, indeed, the asshole.

Keeping a thermostat at 70 should absolutely not cause an updated HVAC system to crash. Get over it, dude. They paid the rent, so there’s no reason for constant discomfort.

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u/dirtbyrd Sep 26 '22

I'd ice that mother fucker. Buy a new unit, betch. Daddy sleeps at 68 and chills at 70.

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u/ResponsibleHedonist Sep 26 '22

They should get window units and run those non stop too