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Russian men run abroad (Russia \ Georgia)

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u/I_might_be_weasel Sep 26 '22 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

"Reason for visit?"

"I want to live."

"That's a popular one this week."

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u/bizbizbizllc Sep 27 '22 I'm Deceased

"how long will you be staying?"

"2 weeks"

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u/orangesfwr Sep 27 '22

Have you brought any fruits or vegetables?

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u/pattyG80 Sep 27 '22 Silver

Only....potato

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u/Andymac175 Sep 27 '22

Funny joke. No one have whole potato.

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u/mechabeast Sep 27 '22

In soviet Russia is so cold

How cold is it?

Very. Also dark.

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u/SlothLazarus Sep 27 '22

Fermented potato. A lot of fermented potato.

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u/Ephemeral_Wolf Sep 27 '22

Man, his family's gonna be pissed when they realise he took the only potato...

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u/Matrix17 Sep 27 '22 Helpful

"2 weeks to flatten the war"

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u/honestsparrow Sep 27 '22

This gave me “Paper, Please” vibes

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u/ubersienna Sep 27 '22

Glory to Arstotzka!!

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u/PHILIPTNT Sep 27 '22

Passport what this?

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Sep 27 '22

"CAKE or death?"

"I'll have the cake please"

"Very well. Cake it is. NEXT... CAKE or death?..."

"I'll have the cake, too, please."

"We're having a bit of a run on cake ..."

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u/lo0ilo0ilo0i Sep 26 '22

The resulting brain drain from Russia is going to have a lasting impact on parts of their economy.

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u/SkamGnal Sep 26 '22

Not to mention the familial trauma that large portions of population will have to deal with for the next couple of generations

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22 edited Oct 14 '22

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u/girlintaiwan Sep 27 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

WW2? Try much more recent. My husband's cousin died recently from complications related his alcoholism, and he was a 57-year-old who looked 75. Before the Chechen war he was a gentle father and husband, after he was totally messed up. It seems that every family has a similar story.

Edit: Since this comment is gaining traction, I'll add this: they're not conscripting people from Moscow or St. Petersburg, they're going into ethnic territories and rounding men up. Whole villages. Places like my where my husband is from in Siberia, where minorities are valued less and have less political power to fight back. They're meat for his army. (Edit #2: it seems from the comments that they're starting to take men from the big cities, too.)

Also, my husband is telling me now that men have to bring their own supplies (boots, first aid stuff, warm clothes, personal care stuff...) Shitty guns that don't even work are provided, though.

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u/The_Painted_Man Sep 27 '22

It's like we've learnt nothing as a society. This is a particularly egregious mistake from an eastern European country with mountains of bones and rivers of blood beneath their feet from the last time Europe went to war with itself.

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u/DatSauceTho Sep 27 '22

I don’t think it’s that Russian society hasn’t learned so much as it is that their leaders (like Putin) just don’t give a damn about their people. They’ll sacrifice their own citizens to the war machine to get what they want.

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u/DIYdoofus Sep 27 '22

I think most citizens of all countries have to be dragged kicking and screaming into war. An attack on the homeland is often the only factor that motivates people for such atrocity.

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u/Bradwarden0047 Sep 27 '22

I have to imagine there are still a lot of Afghanistan War vets still alive too, or families of fallen Russian soldiers from that war.

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u/Luke90210 Sep 27 '22

Soviet vets from Afghanistan were noted for heroin addictions as that place is the top producer of opium. Clearly not all, but enough to enable the spread of AIDS into the USSR in the 80s. I don't think those vets got the sympathy they deserved also because the war was a failure.

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u/adelynesucks Sep 27 '22

If anyone wants to learn how absolutely FUCKED russias military system is, read or listen to One Soldiers War by Arkady Babchenko. I guarantee your jaw will literally drop at points, but you will come away with no surprise at how things are going in Ukraine. The Russian military, at war, might actually be the last place I’d want to be.

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u/kinaver Sep 27 '22

For the last 25 or so years higher ups and army turned the celebration of the WWII's end into parade of weaponry Russia made and toddlers dressed as soldiers. Among certain people there is saying "we can repeat it", and the war in Ukraine is compared to WWII in propagandistic media as a war to defend Russia against certain future invasion.

You cannot underestimate stupidity.

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u/tactican Sep 27 '22

Pretty sure it's just a handful of assholes as usual.

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u/Ascomae Sep 26 '22

Not only brain drain.

It starts to become a muscle drain too.

I know, lots if people think they shouldn't be allowed to enter their countries. But I think every Russian not in Russia of worse fighting for Russia is one more step closer to the collapse of Putin.

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u/GingerSkulling Sep 26 '22

The question is what comes after. And the problem with a lot of expatriates is that with time they often become staunch supporters of the regime they so hard tried to escape. See the support Putin has among Russian or soviet communities abroad or even clearer, the support Erdogan has among Turks in Europe.

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u/NowheyYahweh Sep 27 '22

This isn't always the case. Jews that immigrated to the US prior to Hitler skewed conservative. Jews that immigrated after skewed left. Cubans that fled Cuba drift conservative due to "socialism"

See the support Putin has among Russian or soviet communities abroad

Prior to this war it was pretty high in the US too. Hitler had supporters in the US as well.

the support Erdogan has among Turks in Europe.

This one I'm not too familiar with so I'll refrain.

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u/alfredfellig Sep 27 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

Let me help about Turks. People who support Erdogan are the ones who left in 60s-70s and their descendants. They're especially hated by anti-Erdogan people in Turkey. I haven't seen a single Turk who left because of him and who now supports him.

edit: typo

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u/wakka55 Sep 26 '22

And a blessing to the surrounding countries getting new scientists, programmers, engineers, everything an economy needs

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u/SemenSemenov69 Sep 26 '22

They are talking about closing it completely to men of military age, but I suspect the politician class want to make sure they have their offsprings asses covered first, and I suspect the Russians are also wary of Border guards either assisting large numbers to get through to avoid getting killed themselves in such a scenario, or opening fire on men trying to leave, both of which would be awful for internal PR.

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u/BrightNooblar Sep 26 '22 Helpful

I'd assume its also a divide and conquer thing. Anyone with the means/gumption to get out of the country in the first few days, are going to be a hassle to deal with once crack downs start. Anyone with family/resources/fire in their belly 'Escapes' this week.

Next week? Well everyone LEFT is generally less able/willing to push back. Ideal situation for the people trying to tighten the noose.

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u/Tribalbob Sep 26 '22

I don't generally subscribe to theories on the internet, but I did see one the other day similar to this. Let everyone out who wants out, protestors get arrested and sent to the front to either die or surrender. All that's left are the fanatic loyal to the government so if they announced "Ok, we're done and we're pulling out" - everyone will cheer.

That said, it's pretty short term thinking, tbh.

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u/BrightNooblar Sep 26 '22

That said, it's pretty short term thinking, tbh.

While true, short term control is the only way (these specific rulers) transition into long term anything. Hell, even in America short term stunt that get votes are the optimal play compared to long term plans that generate prosperity, because if you play long and the other guy plays short, the other guy wins control and takes credit for your long term investment, since it plays out while he's in power.

But like, Putin only cares if the country burns to the ground in 6 months, if Putin is in charge in 6 months. Right now his goal is stay at the helm 6 more months, and if setting his own boat on fire is how he does that, then he's going to do that and then address the damage in 6 months.

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u/Holyvigil Sep 26 '22

I assure you Putin's boat will be just fine whether he is around or not. It's the lower class's and middle class's boats that are getting burned. Boyar's and Tzars only care to make their own lives better. They do not care about their legacy.

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u/Glomgore Sep 26 '22

First time I've seen someone use Boyar outside of a video game, thanks for sharing the word.

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u/fzepnts Sep 26 '22

Not many people realize it's short for Chef Boyar D.

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u/JustinHopewell Sep 26 '22

Makes you wonder what happened to Chef Boyars A through C.

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u/LeoRidesHisBike Sep 26 '22

Unless he gets hoisted. Seems like a legit worry for him.

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u/Elisevs Sep 26 '22

It seems so polite when you say it that way. I guess it's a lot more polite than most of the things he's responsible for.

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u/rmccarthy10 Sep 26 '22

everyone LEFT is generally less able/willing to push back. Ideal situation

Thats the way war works,,,,the rich and those with resources, stay safe.

The poor don't.

It's a damn sin. Always been like that. Money=life

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u/bearsheperd Sep 26 '22

Sounds like a solid Russian strategy, send the less able, more passive and complacent to fight for them. Like lambs to slaughter

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u/Seuche_Deron Sep 26 '22

Its funny, in the last ask - Lawrow round a German media woman asked why so many Russians leave the country, and he seriously answered something like: "You are german, you should know that people can travel freely", while two days later you can read on media they are thinking about closing borders.

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u/new_random_username Sep 26 '22

Most Russian which will get conscripted cannot afford to leave/travel within Russia.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22 edited Oct 18 '22

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u/BigLazyTurtle Sep 26 '22

By neighbouring countries controlling their borders you mean there’s only one checkpoint? Because when you cross finnish border, you get two checkpoints in a row - Russian and Finnish.

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u/inductedpark Sep 26 '22

As this person is saying it depends on the country. Someone like Finland will care very much but Mongolia or Georgia, not so much.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

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u/snacktonomy Sep 26 '22

That's because the US doesn't care who leaves the country, anyone is free to do so. Entering, on the other hand...

In Russia, on the other hand, they will need to make sure you're allowed to leave the country.

At least that's how I learned it works.

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

Russian here.

I think there are several reasons:

First, is that Putin feared that mass mobilization + closing the borders would stir up the population too much. He even called it "partial" (and lied as always) to make it sound less scary.

Second, because all those people escaping - if the borders were closed - would hide in the countryside, in their friends flats, and so on. The system doesn't have enough resources to chase down 300,000 people.

Thirds, the last time mobilization happened in Russia was 1941. Nobody knew what the effect would be, they simply wanted to wait and see.

Finally, I don't think they will ever officially close the border, it's a very convenient point to catch people. I think the borders will remain officially open, with the unofficial internal orders to detain the male population 18 to 60 y.o. at the checkpoints.

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u/HyperbolicModesty Sep 26 '22

Do you think that the partial mobilization is actually going to be full conscription - and if so, do you think that might be the prelude to something much bigger than Ukraine?

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

It's not partial. Putin lied about it, as usual. In his decree, it doesn't mention anywhere the number of people getting mobilized.

As for something bigger than Ukraine - hell no. He can't even conquer two regions in 6 month, anything else is out of the question.

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u/GrinningPariah Sep 26 '22

I have no idea why, after everything that's happened, some people in NATO countries still seem scared of Russia's army.

Like, this is it guys. A slogging 6 month war of attrition against Ukraine. That's what the Russian army can do. There isn't some secret second Russian army that's going to show up and kick everyone's asses or whatever.

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u/KumichoSensei Sep 26 '22

It's nukes and always has been

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u/Enk1ndle Sep 26 '22

I don't think anyone is afraid of their military aside from than their nuclear weapons.

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u/AntiGrav1ty_ Sep 26 '22

It's not just some numbers, people are losing their lives. Ukraine is doing relatively well with billions of western support but Russia killed at least tens of thousands of Ukranians and destroyed their cities and homes. Of course you are scared of that as a smaller country. Especially if Russia is as irrational an actor as they have been lately.

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u/RawerPower Sep 26 '22

Some countries are small like Latvia or Estonia. Ukraine would become 5th country by population if it joins the EU.

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u/new_random_username Sep 26 '22

Most people who are getting conscripted cannot afford to leave or even afford to travel within Russia.

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u/__-___--- Sep 26 '22

If you look at the cars on that picture, you can tell poor people aren't the one who can leave.

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u/Enk1ndle Sep 26 '22

There's a reason the poor are always the ones fighting wars.

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u/Pabus_Alt Sep 26 '22

the prelude to something much bigger than Ukraine?

Putin and what army?

What the last year has shown is that the "good" Russian forces going up against a modern-style army are hopelessly outclassed. It's not just about tech, the Ukrainians switched to a much more decentralized model and Russia... Didn't. And lost a stupid number of men. To switch now would require a highly educated and trained officer and NCO cadre and all the candidates are over the border or dead.

The old "quantity is quality" is becoming ever and ever less true (not that it was even true in WWII)

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u/LCOSPARELT1 Sep 26 '22

It’s probably impossible to bribe the border guards. Russians are famous for their rock solid integrity.

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u/Holyshort Sep 26 '22

No exit hole in pressure cooker may lead to lid blowing off immidietly.

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u/Holyshort Sep 26 '22

Russian diplomats have been ordered to return from other countries latest by 28 sep.

So in the next 4 days according to rumors.

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u/mr_doppertunity Sep 26 '22

The day after the referendums are concluded (Sep 28) or the day of the next public speech (Sep 30).

Why we think that the public speech will be important? The previous one started the mobilization, and the one before it started the war itself.

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u/Doggleganger Sep 26 '22

Exactly. The people leaving are the ones that haven't bought into the war. If they're forced to stay, they'll contribute to dissent.

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u/IMovedYourCheese Sep 26 '22

A very tiny percent of Russians have the means to leave the country, and they are the ones who would anyways cause trouble when conscripted. Best to let them go and rely on the millions in rural areas and otherwise loyal to Putin to get the job done.

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u/Spanky_Ikkala Sep 26 '22

Some borders are closed. I have a friend who has just driven to Khazakstan (one of the open border routes) with a suitcase of clothes and his PC.

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u/SmokedBeef Sep 26 '22

Look at the isolated but violent resistance that have come from those who chose not to flee and now imagine how much worse it would be when the energy of those fleeing is redirected inward because you sealed the border. The people who are running for the exits so to speak, represent a motivated, intelligent group of committed individuals unwilling to openly comply with their government, trapping them in the same metaphorical room as their government can only lead to one killing the other, which only delay and weaken Putin’s ability to wage war and genocide in Ukraine. Then, if you take in to account that Putin already fears for his safety in Moscow and St. Petersburg, which is why he has spent a significant portion of September hiding at his Sochi Palace and now at his Lake Valdai Dacha, it becomes rather clear why they aren’t plugging the leaks and are releasing pressure by letting the potential dissidents flee.

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u/sinneren Sep 26 '22

Opposite men goes away, loyalty stay. It's in plan, I think.

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u/MartinLutherVanHalen Sep 26 '22

Russia is big.

They only need a million conscripts. A few hundred thousand can get out this way. Most have no means to even reach the border.

As with all conscription it’s the poor who bear the brunt.

Look at Vietnam. Av. Age 19, 30% black. Trump and the rest didn’t have to worry about it.

Russia is the same.

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u/MurderDoneRight Sep 26 '22

You know you've lost the war when you're creating refugees in your own country and the war isn't even fought there.

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u/ValyrianJedi Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 27 '22 Gold I am disappoint

I've got a down the street neighbor whose wife is Russian from a really well off family. Her brother showed up like a month after everything kicked off like "hello, I am looking for a gold digger with American citizenship please". Her cousin showed up a month or two later... Then another one of my friends had a girl he met on an exchange program years ago randomly show up in his DMs. They are engaged now...

Another Russian guy who was already over here for a few years just married one of the cart girls at the country club...

Then another guy I know from Russia from when I used to have to go over there for work every now and then has been asking me to try to find his sons jobs here, and another tried to basically pawn his daughter off on me, and is now apparently trying to pawn her off on another guy who worked with me at the time... And those are just the ones I know of personally...

The number of people trying to secure places outside Russia right now is extremely telling of what they are expecting.

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u/driftingfornow Sep 26 '22

Wild, thanks for this anecdote. It’s interestingly reflective of circumstances in the Ukrainian refugee (I don’t use this word normally it became kinda taboo or shitty but to be perfectly clear as possible). From what I hear from the younger lads in Poland, dating has changed in regards to the amount of young Ukrainian women hitching up.

Wtf autocorrect changed hitching to bitching, I don’t even write that word normally lol.

Anyways I don’t blame them circumstances are fucked and they’re just trying to survive and it produces some pretty strong and wild feelings I guess.

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u/GavinZac Sep 27 '22

"refugee" isn't a shitty or taboo word, it's one of the best human traditions going back thousands of years.

The word is "tainted" only in certain places which ironically have been talking about a "refugee crisis" since 2015 and moving ever further to the right since then. Places which border Ukraine and suddenly now understand the purpose of the refugee system perfectly.

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u/optickfiber Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

I was watching a interview of a kid who was of age to fight he was just crossing into Georgia. He was asked why he is running away when his country needed him. He said

“I will defend my country when it is right to protect the sovereignty and I will fight, I will goto war . But if I fight now, I would be doing it against my own ideas, against people not attempting to take it away. What am I fighting to protect then?” Made sense to me.

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

Russian here, let me comment on what's going on.

Since the beginning of the mobilization, the estimates are several hundred thousand people have fled the country.

The reason why the borders are not closed are most likely:

1) Fear of string too much anger from border closing + mass mobilization at one time

2) Nobody knowing the effects the mobilization would have, Putin had to wait and see

3) All the smart people are escaping, so even if the borders were closed they would just escape inside the country or bribe the border guards and get out. Or cross the borders in the asian steppes parts of Russia where there's literally no one to stop them

The rumors are, Putin will close the borders (either officially or unofficially) either on the 27th or the 30th of September, after he officially accepts DNR/LNR into Russia.

All the people got divided into two groups: the smart group that decided to flee the country ASAP, and the rest who decided to (even sometimes voluntarily) get mobilized.

The protests against mobilization are lackluster (apart from Dagestan) at the moment. But there have been a lot of arsons of the mobilization centers.

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u/she_makes_a_mess Sep 26 '22

What does the general consensus seem to be from your view, leave or mobilize ?

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u/Orlha Sep 26 '22

There is a third option: sit quiet and hope you aren't getting noticed. Some of my friends are testing it rn.

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u/she_makes_a_mess Sep 26 '22

Why? Do they feel it won't come to them or is not bad?

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u/dubbleplusgood Sep 26 '22

It probably depends on where they live and how wealthy. The poorer, non urban areas are sending the most bodies. The wealthy, city folk are being sent at the lowest rate with bribes keeping them home as long as they can keep paying or know the right people. Let's be real, no one rich had been sent to the frontlines. The only rich people dead so far are the handful who opposed (or disappointed) Putin and have since fallen out of a window.

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u/AllesPat Sep 26 '22

Sounds like Hunger Games

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u/Schwaggsteiner Sep 26 '22

it’s as if the book was written to depict class inequality and consequences of the rich elite having free reign

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u/DMCinDet Sep 27 '22

what? it wasn't a reality contest? I was mislead.

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u/dubbleplusgood Sep 26 '22

Winner winner chicken dinner. Spot on.

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u/BulbusDumbledork Sep 26 '22

hunger games

winner winner chicken dinner

i finally understand

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u/MulciberTenebras Sep 26 '22

They started conscripting the minorities within the Crimea first.

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u/GeneralCraze Sep 26 '22

It's very difficult to get up and leave your home for most people. Even if the consequence of staying seems grim and inevitable, the unknown of leaving can still seem worse making it very easy to tell your self "things will get better" or "it can't happen to me"

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u/persimmon40 Sep 26 '22

Same with my Russian friends. Yes, they feel like mobilization will go past them, meaning that they wont be drafted. Not everyone received a draft call. In fact, none of my friends have so far and they range between 30 and 38 years old.

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u/new_random_username Sep 26 '22

How many of your friends are St. Peteresburg or Moscow citizens... or have some sort of special education?

If I were them I would have bug out bag and try to cross the Finish/Russian border on foot.

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u/persimmon40 Sep 26 '22

I'd say I have around 10 friends in Russia that I keep in contact with. Two of them are in Moscow. Everyone else in a small city 500 km to the southeast. None in St Petersburg. Out of 10, two left the country, one has a shield from his employer and remaining 7 or so just waiting.

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u/new_random_username Sep 26 '22

I hope your friends manage to stay out of this shit show.

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u/she_makes_a_mess Sep 26 '22

How many of your group of friends want to go out have left already?

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u/persimmon40 Sep 26 '22

One left few days ago. Another one has what its a called a "shield", meaning his employer needs him, so he wont be drafted. One, so happened, left before the mobilization for other reason, so he is temporarily in another country and I guess he wont be returning any time soon. Everyone else is just waiting hoping they wont be drafted, maybe around 5-7 people.

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u/WrackspurtsNargles Sep 26 '22

What will they do if they are drafted?

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u/persimmon40 Sep 26 '22

They hope they wont and they hope that they will be able to avoid drafting as there are ways to do so. Some say if they will be drafted, they will have to go. Others say that they will avoid drafting as much as they can, do whatever it takes etc. Those I asked why don't they leave the country now, they say its not possible anymore in their situations.

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u/tukang_makan Sep 26 '22

Same with my acquaintance's BF. He happened to be in Bali before conscription and now he's trying to get KITAS (a stay permit for a significantly longer period) in Indonesia. His dad and his brother have been conscripted. I think their (my acquaintance and her BF) long-term goal would be getting married and have him receive permanent citizenship so he won't need to get back ever. Can't even imagine what his family is going through now

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u/persimmon40 Sep 26 '22

That's tough. I hope he gets the permit to stay in Indonesia considering the situation and I hope his relatives end up avoiding far too somehow.

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u/Swedishboy360 Sep 26 '22

That's what most people usually does in these situations. Just go along and keep your head down for your own safety. It happened in France in ww2 and it will happen now

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u/she_makes_a_mess Sep 26 '22

I know, I can see it happening if it was here. Things just continue until it's too late and you miss all the signs. It's just hard to wrap my head around.

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u/mr_doppertunity Sep 26 '22

They either have no means to escape, or they bought into propaganda that “only those who have combat experience and have good health will be drafted” despite the fact there’s simply no 300k of people with combat experience and numerous facts that even people that didn’t serve a day and have medical conditions are getting drafted. Police makes raids everywhere and handing out notices that particular men should arrive to the gathering point, which sign they need ffs.

And of course, they think “nah, that’s just 300k, there’s enough people out there, they will take someone else”.

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

All the smart people are fleeing or have fled already.

All the not-so-smart people are getting mobilized. You could see videos of them getting drunk, getting into some fights on the mobilization buses, and so on. I don't think they realize what is really happening, and treat it as some sort of military comedy movie where you go on an adventure with your buddies.

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u/k-one-0-two Sep 26 '22

Are you a smart one? :) (I'm Russian too if that matters)

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

I am, I'm not there :)

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u/ThePyroPython Sep 26 '22

I'm glad you got out safely. If Putin was deposed, would you return or remain where you are now?

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

I wouldn't. Even if Putin is gone, there will be too many problems with Russia. A failing economy, propaganda-infested low-quality education, half of the shops/goods missing because of sanctions that god knows when will be lifted, a non-existent legal system, and so on. I certainly wouldn't want my kids have anything to do with the current Russia.

I might visit it as a tourist though

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u/ThePyroPython Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

That is completely understandable but very sad at the same time to see someone's homeland not be a welcoming place. My heart goes out to you.

Perhaps if there was the political will for an international effort to rebuild and uncorrupt Russia?

Judicial reform & political reform overseen by the ICJ in exchange for economic aid, lifting of sanctions, and tarrif-free trade agreements with the EU for agriculture, raw materials, manufacturering, and energy. To quickly rebuild the economy and not leave a power vacuum in a nuclear state.

Does something like that even has a slither of a chance of happening?

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

It's like Nazi Germany. Modern Germany is a great place to live, but it took over 50 years for it to come into existence. I don't know how it will take for current Russia to turn into a decent country.

First, Putin needs to be dealt with, and I don't see how this can play out quickly, considering nukes are on the table. Then hope that the next government will not be a military junta or another KGB branch. Then the decades it will take to conduct all the reforms and gain the world's trust. It might happen, but it's likely gonna take a very long time.

To be honest, I think I'm more likely to apply for Ukrainian citizenship because what you are describing is a lot more likely to happen to Ukraine than to Russia, and I like their nation a lot.

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u/ThePyroPython Sep 26 '22

However this plays out over the coming decades, I wish you all the best and hope you find somewhere for you and your kids to feel safe and thrive.

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u/k-one-0-two Sep 26 '22

Oh, if it was like in some fantasy - whrn the villain falls, all his dark magic disappears and the people are free again. I mean, this might work for some of us, but definitely ot for everyone, which is sad af.

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u/panda_gravy Sep 26 '22

A lot of them probably want to believe Putin and think they’re gonna be staffing some logistics post somewhere far from the line. Maybe they’ll do that for a week then off to Ukraine like the rest of ‘em.

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u/gauderio Sep 26 '22

Putin: "We're not going to send draftees to Ukraine."

Also Putin: "This is not Ukraine anymore it's Russia."

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

Yeah, that's the exact sales pitch.

"Oh look at you with no training and a beer belly! Of course the worst that's gonna happen is you carrying ammunition crates 200 miles away from the frontlines"

*Gets sent in the first line to check where the enemy artillery will fire on him from*

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u/Coryperkin15 Sep 26 '22

Picking up an old WWII rifle off of a fallen comrade so he can shoot his 5 shots.

It's sad that Putin is using people in 2022 as bags of meat Vs modern technology. This scale of miscalculation goes far beyond what I thought he would do. It's not just psychotic, it's stupid

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

It all started with Putin's stupid decision to take Kiev in 3 days, and then slowly escalated as a sequence of worse and worse decisions for him

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u/ahomelessguy25 Sep 26 '22

This doesn’t seem like a good thing for a country that’s already experiencing a demographic collapse.

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

That would be true if anybody in Putin's government has two s#@ts about the country's future in 10 or 20 years. But you are right, Russia already had demographic problems. Combine it with sanctions, falling economy, brain drain and hundreds of thousands of men in their prime dead, and you have a recipe for disaster

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u/turgid_wang Sep 27 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

Russia already had demographic problems.

That there is an understatement lol. 25 million lost in WWII and low fertility fucked them for like 70+ years

There is even a Wikipedia page named Russia Demographic Crisis or something but it was too generic. War is what fucks them every time

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u/schweigeminute Sep 26 '22

Hi, I was just wondering if it's true that it's mostly non-white men from the very east of Russia (Tuvans, Yakuts, Buryats etc) that are being drafted? And that nobody's interested in drafting men from major cities like Moscow, Petersburg, Kaliningrad?

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u/Dacadey Sep 26 '22

That is true. There are a lot more deaths in the war (so far) from poorer regions, and a lot more mobilized people. Starting to look eerily similar to ethnic purges.

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u/keving216 Sep 26 '22

The fucked up part is none of this had to happen. All Putin had to do was not invade Ukraine.

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u/Maniactver Sep 26 '22

That is true in the way that most of the people are drafted from the poor regions. Russian villages are being sweeped too, but the minorities are much more noticeable.

Big cities are more or less safe from drafting - for now.

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u/TheParisCommune1871 Sep 26 '22

Reminds me of a short true story I read about a WWII vet father and son going to the boundary waters in Minnesota as a last time father and son fishing trip before he was to report for duty in Vietnam and his dad says “I am going back to camp” all but telling his son to flee to Canada.

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u/International_Jello Sep 26 '22

Sounds very similar to a story in Tim Obriens brilliant novel/short story collection The Things We Carried

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u/TheParisCommune1871 Sep 26 '22

I think that is the book! I read it when I was in HS over a decade ago but that part stood out to me.

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u/International_Jello Sep 26 '22

It's even more powerful than you remember, the man was a stranger and not even his father. He doesn't say a word, he just lets Tim make a decision. Tim had traveled all the way to the border, stopped at the very edge and ultimately went back and went to war because he was ashamed to desert the draft. He says of that decision "men kill and die because they are embarrassed not to".

Truly one of the best anti war novels of all time and totally worth a revisit. I've reread it several times and get something new out of it every time

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u/TheParisCommune1871 Sep 26 '22

It was my junior year of HS and we were reading Anti-War stuff and I remember going read that short story, All Quiet on the Western Front, and Slaughterhouse-Five.

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u/myislanduniverse Sep 26 '22

Sure wish every high school student in the country with the largest military in history had to read those.

There sure is a lot of responsibility that comes with being a voter that Americans don't take seriously.

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u/woolfchick75 Sep 27 '22

My mom had a Canada fund for my older brother in case he got drafted during Vietnam. He had a shitty draft number but had a college deferment.

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u/neverfarts Sep 26 '22

Are they all going on vacation? Looks like a nice place to visit

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u/Can-ta-loupe Sep 26 '22

Scenic views, welcoming people, great food. I recommend hinkali.

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u/new_random_username Sep 26 '22

Looks like a crowd standing in a parking lot, trying to get into a apres-ski hotel.

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u/DasArtmab Sep 26 '22

The food is good as well

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u/WaluigiIsTheRealHero Sep 26 '22

Khachapuri is delicious.

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u/g0atmeal Sep 26 '22

It's my favorite food, especially the Ajaruli kind with the fried egg mixed in

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u/gwoag_stank Sep 26 '22

Khachapuri fact: much like people use “the price of a gallon of milk” to illustrate inflation and cost of ubiquitous items, in georgia they use “the cost to make khachapuri” with the sum of costs of the ingredients.

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u/redditor012499 Sep 26 '22

Atlanta is a pretty cool too.

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u/8604 Sep 26 '22

Beautiful country, wonderful kind people, really safe. Spent two weeks in the capital (Tblisi) few months ago.

Ukraine flags everywhere, a lot of angst towards Russians because they're driving prices up.

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u/public_hairs Sep 26 '22

It’s a lot of angst towards Russians because Russia occupies 20% of their country😂 important distinction.

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u/8604 Sep 26 '22

Right of course, my friend is from there so I know the details. I guess I meant more recent angst.

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u/rayparkersr Sep 26 '22

The cost of apartments has shot up from what I hear.

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u/thisxisxlife Sep 26 '22

I’ve only been to Atlanta through their airport. So I can’t say much, but I hope they enjoy trip to Georgia

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u/-MeatyPaws- Sep 26 '22

I'd be getting the fuck out too

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u/g2g079 Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

How long before Russia says they can't leave? I wonder if Georgia is going to have a refugee crisis.

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u/kesooboladze Sep 26 '22

speaking Georgian, we already have a crisis I think, we have had many migrants from Russia since the war started and its growing.

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u/Pat_thetic Sep 27 '22

The cost of rent is three times higher alreay, traffic is crazy, there are Russian people everywhere, not just visiting but buying houses, settling in etc. Tbilisi is so full of people I think it's gonnna explode

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u/AbeRego Sep 26 '22

I'd probably do the same thing into Canada if the US suddenly wanted to draft me for a war to conquer Mexico.

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u/Koshunae Sep 26 '22

Jokes on you, the first thing America is going to do at the start of the Resource Wars is annex Canada

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u/AbeRego Sep 26 '22

Maybe flee to Mexico then?

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u/Koshunae Sep 26 '22

By the time America has annexed Canada, Mexico has already been invaded.

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u/DestroyedbyFame Sep 26 '22

We’re coming for the strategic maple syrup reserves, and you can’t stop us!

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u/JiminyDickish Sep 26 '22 Take My Energy

Russians fleeing the country serve as a décompression soupape that relieves internal political pressure—Putin does not have to face dissenting popular opinion if all the dissenters have left. It's why he's kept the borders open for now and (partly) why Baltic border states have closed theirs to Russians fleeing conscription.

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u/No-Comfortable9480 Sep 26 '22

Insightful comment

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u/Particular-County277 Sep 26 '22

Is this not just a 'those with money get to leave, the poors have to stay and face the music' scenario?

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u/porntla62 Sep 26 '22

Just look at the cars in the picture.

Newish model years and imports.

So not something someone with a median russian salary drives.

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u/PuttingAround Sep 26 '22

Pretty much but you don't need a lot of money to cross the land border into Georgia. Flights before the announcement were a month or two salary.

It's surviving once you get here that's the challenge.

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u/420yumyum Sep 26 '22

All scenarios are that scenario.

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u/formenonly Sep 26 '22

I hear Tbilisi is beautiful in the fall.

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u/Banaan75 Sep 26 '22

Tbilisi is always beautiful

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u/melississippi75 Sep 26 '22

My roommate is Russian and has political asylum. He said "I got out just in time."

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u/GreatCombinator Sep 26 '22

In what country?

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u/melississippi75 Sep 26 '22

We are in the US.

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u/thedrakeequator Sep 26 '22

Reminds me of that line Kennedy said.

"Democracy isn't perfect but we've never had to put up a fence to keep our people in"

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u/Substantial-Owl1167 Sep 26 '22

Voting with their feet

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u/russki4ever Sep 26 '22

It's so fucked.

I talked to my mother who FaceTimed my uncle that lives there.

Absolutely everybody is getting drafted, they are taking even underage, men with disabilities but if they are completely useless they will send them back but they are already everywhere taking all the young men.

The borders are closed for men that fit the draft age, families can still get through but they get questiones at multiple points.

Many people are hiding the young men at Christian family homes that are anti violence in general because even a lot of relatives are ok with bombing Ukraine so they can't be trusted with these young men.

It's actually batshit insane & will become a full mobilization soon enough.

Russia also signed a ton of new laws to counter anyone that has an excuse to not be drafted.

Belarus is also planning something up to mobilize armies into Ukraine but we shall see if there people can sabatoge it again & prevent it but might not work a 2nd time.

So many more Ukrainian soldiers will die with this 2nd wave but a lot more Russian as well.

Fuck Putin, Fuck any Russian in the motherland that actually supports this(mostly ages 30+) the younger generation is mostly anti but obviously you'll have ultra shits there as well.

This will completely fuck Russia for the next 100 years as well as kill of half a million of young Russian men.

Ukraine will win eventually (I think) & rebuild & probably come out stronger than ever.

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u/KingGorbak Sep 27 '22

That's going to be a lot of dead Russians

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u/EnsignMJS Sep 26 '22

It's never been easier to get a mail order Russian husband.

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u/c_c_c__combobreaker Sep 26 '22

What? People want to run away from a war that has nothing to do with them and the majority of the world does not support?

Shocked Pikachu face

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u/fishermansfriendly Sep 26 '22

Sadly most of these men likely supported the war until the moment they could see the front lines. My partner is Russian and keeps tabs on all the groups they can. Sickening how large some of these groups are, and cheering on the war crimes in Ukraine. Especially people 30-60.

See how many women are in that picture? Honestly the word in many of these groups right now is like “look at what Ukraine has done, my husband has to leave the country because x,y,z reason and it’s so unfair, those Ukrainian pigs just need to give up and accept the inevitable”, “ yes the mobilization is a good thing but my husband is not capable to fight, there are plenty of gopnik who should volunteer to fight, do they not have pride in this country anymore?”

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u/ChrisTosi Sep 26 '22

I wonder how many of these men will continue to support Putin once they've personally escaped.

Probably more than you'd think unfortunately.

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u/Mcdibbles Sep 26 '22

It's like Vietnam draft dodgers supporting the GOP. There are quite a few.

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u/Rivster79 Sep 26 '22

Bonespurs

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u/PDXEng Sep 27 '22

That's CADET Bonespurs to you bucko!

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u/iWarnock Sep 26 '22

Dude some ppl still believe in chavez and the fucker is dead. My venezuelan friends that fled the country just got tired of it. They all have new lifes in different parts of latam and they managed to bring their close family out of there.

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u/panda_gravy Sep 26 '22

Ah, self-proclaimed patriots. Always the first to talk and the last to get their hands dirty.

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u/HACKEYMAN Sep 26 '22

gods speed. get the hell out of there. no need to die for a physco

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u/Fyrefawx Sep 26 '22

Russia set itself back decades. There is going to be a serious brain drain on top of all the other political and economical issues. Invading has to be the worst decision a nation has made in a very long time.

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u/buttonblanket Sep 26 '22

Whatever we do, don't post russian defector faces, that could be bad for their family. This pictures is fine of course, but going forward.

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u/tias23111 Sep 26 '22

Man Atlanta is going to be even more busy

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u/terdferguson74 Sep 26 '22

Looks like they’re lining up at Stone Mountain already

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u/ClaudiaTale Sep 26 '22

Yeah, I was listening the NYT The Daily podcast, said flights from Moscow were selling out. A flight to Turkey was costing $11,000.

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u/DylansDeadly Sep 26 '22

I dont blame any of them. Why fight for a lunatic?

Fuck Putin!

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u/Jezoreczek Sep 26 '22

I blame the ones who supported the war, and are now fleeing.

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u/jetlifook Sep 26 '22

Guess there will be more single hot Russian women in the area

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u/HerrFerret Sep 26 '22

All the milcosplay armchair heroes will go 'Why are these men not running at the police with two molotov cocktails and a IED strapped to their chest'. That is what I would do.

Bollocks. Bollocksy Bollocks. You wouldn't, so don't delude yourself.

They are leaving because they are normal. I will admit I would be in this queue fucking the hell out of dodge because I don't want to kill or be killed. They can avoid taking another persons life, and that is absolutely understandable.

If they are defending home and hearth like Ukrainians, I would think differently and maybe even consider that gun and a uniform. But it isn't the case, so godspeed you sweet bastards. Let us meet in a bar in Tblisi.

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u/FlamingTrollz Sep 26 '22

Not even going to call them cowardly.

Reminds me of Vietnam and conscientious objectors.

It’s time for a new Leader.

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u/Celtics73_ali Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

Nothing cowardly about it, avoiding being sent to a foreign land and forced to kill or be killed for something that has nothing to do with you is what anyone should do. There are things worth fighting and dying for, this ain't one of them.

If anything, it's commendable. I bet that there's a ton of vietnam vets who wish they would have run.

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u/eden-star Sep 26 '22 Helpful Take My Power

This thread is so sad. So many posters who seem A-ok with these men who are fleeing to be killed all because they didn’t protest the war in February? Being called cowards? Very wild generalizations

If I lived in a totalitarian state that went to war I wouldn’t protest out in the streets and risk maiming, beating and imprisonment. For what? So some person halfway around the world on their phone while taking a shit on the toilet can read about it and go “good for him”? No.

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u/modernlifeisthor Sep 26 '22

Lots of people are under the impression that there is some sort of magic "begin overthrow of government" button that all of these people can press. Ignoring that revolutions can take decades to ferment, especially against a state that has consolidated power as efficiently as Putin has over the last two decades. Unless Russia loses the ability to feed and shelter its citizens it just doesn't seem like any sort of revolution is on the table right now. But I guess it feels nice to smugly dismiss these people as cowards for not throwing away their lives to fail trying.

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u/AllezCannes Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

Lots of people are under the impression that there is some sort of magic "begin overthrow of government" button that all of these people can press.

By their logic, shouldn't they consider the Iranians a bunch of failures because they've been unable to topple the Islamist regime that has been subjugating them? I mean, it's that easy, just topple the regime, done. What are they waiting for.

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u/Helpful_guy Sep 27 '22

Ignoring that revolutions can take decades to ferment, especially against a state that has consolidated power

This is extremely unimportant especially since you still got your point across, but I think you meant "foment" instead of "ferment"

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u/modernlifeisthor Sep 27 '22

Haha yes. I'm talking revolution not kombucha over here

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