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Bill Gates says political polarization 'may bring it all to an end' and could even lead to a civil war

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-polarization-bring-it-end-2022-9
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u/Expensive-Bet3493 Sep 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

It already is a war: psychological and cybernetic war. He knows it.

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u/KingKlugg772 Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22 Gold

cybernetic

We’re fighting twitter bots instead of terminators.

This fucking sucks.

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u/Cognitive_Spoon Sep 24 '22 Platinum

If the Twitter bots are efficient and effective enough, they will make your neighbor into the terminator without the need for any robots.

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u/Allarius1 Sep 24 '22

Lmao I never considered that kind of “AI takeover”. I bet that’s probably the most logical and efficient choice. Why bother trying to take over the world and rule over humans when you can stoke the flame and get them to blow each other up so you can move in for the free real estate.

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u/Cognitive_Spoon Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 25 '22 Helpful

Monsters on Maple Tweet

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u/hereiam-23 Sep 25 '22

Yeah, exactly!!!!

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u/DarkSomething Sep 25 '22

Would like to watch an post apocalyptic world movie now with one guy in an empty world being sent on quest but various remnants of technology. Only to reach his final destination to be met with the only other remaining human who has been pitted against him. In the final sequence its revealed the sentient technology is simply finishing the job.

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u/HodlMyBananaLongTime Sep 24 '22 Helpful

Quit giving it ideas, dumb dumb.

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u/mark-five Sep 24 '22

Skynet already figured it out at 2:14 AM on August 29, 1997. Everything after that is Judgement Day playing out for the machines

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u/runujhkj Alabama Sep 24 '22

That would be an interesting idea for a sequel to that endless franchise: the “big dramatic nuclear war” version of judgement day was just a way that Sarah Connor visualized it, and it’s a bit more insidious than that.

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u/cficare Sep 25 '22

They retconned judgement day too many ways. Hell, in the 2nd to last one Skynet was an app.

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u/forkliftcrabs Sep 24 '22

Honestly all you have to do is feed the AI info about all the worlds greatest cult leaders, then give it social media accounts

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u/NextAstronaut6 Sep 25 '22

This so true that you should delete it.

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u/mrs_dalloway Sep 25 '22

4chan gave us Frankenstein in the form of qanon….Like the sorcerers apprentice.

Now the sorcerers apprentices are leveling up with more precision. I don’t think the level of orchestration is there yet, though, what you’re referring to. But it does make standard human manipulation look home made. AI manipulation is processed/manufactured.

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u/TheZarkingPhoton Washington Sep 24 '22

Logical and efficient is relative. Humans are far better off pulling together, of course. But even the greedy, sociopathic play is not working out very well for those on the side of these fucks. They have and are pretty much collapsing their own society, and even rich oligarchs are fucked if all the little people have nothing left to steal, or better yet, decide enough is enough.

I just hope someone empties Putin's skull before he starts in on the purging tantrums.

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u/nanopicofared Sep 25 '22

Unfortunately, the MAGA movement appears to want us to be a Kleptocracy just like Russia. God help us if we go there.

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u/TheZarkingPhoton Washington Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22 Helpful

Well, the political leadership of the MAGA movement certainly does. In fact, they are wired into the American Evangelical cult & US Kleptocracy, as well as mainlining Putin's asymmetric warfare bullshit,... surely.

The rank-in-file on the other hand want all kinds of shit. Some want liberal comeuppance. Some want relief from always playing the know-nothing's. Some want blood just for the sake of all the misery. And some want to shove Christianity down everyone's throats, so the world won't scare them so fucking bad.

But generally, that rank-in-file aren't seeing anything resembling a big picture if you ask me.

The political class & their propaganda organ have bullshitted them into utter vulnerability, then watched in horror as Putin stole 'em right out from under them using Trump & social media psychology amplification. And finally rolled over for that shit when they saw they would still get their money and 'power,' and Putin would air their dirty laundry if they didn't.

Greed leaves people inherently vulnerable.

Now they're so mobbed up, and the monster is loose on the countryside and ain't going back into that fucking lab. So they have to keep doubling down.

They all deserve everything they get. Except they are taking all of us with them.

VOTE!

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u/cleti Sep 25 '22

The rank-in-file

Not to detract from your point, but it's rank and file.

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u/Small_Gold_2759 Sep 24 '22

I have very vocal Trump supporters where I work. They are always trashing each other. I get to hear it because they think I am a conservative because I actually do have a work ethic. They don't realize they don't. They can see each other but they can't see themselves. Maybe we should step back and watch a bit.

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u/UsagiRed Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Most piece of shit pull yourself up by bootstraps, worst work ethic, fail upwards dude I've ever seen commented that he likes trump but isn't far right enough for him.

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u/Small_Gold_2759 Sep 25 '22

Most of these people fell down. That's why they are so pissed. Gotta have someone to blame I guess. Got a coke problem? Blame the Libs for letting all those Mexicans in

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u/OkCutIt Sep 25 '22

Most of these people fell down. That's why they are so pissed.

That's really not true. It's just an excuse used to justify it as something other than pure unreasonable hate.

Even in 2016 voters whose top priority was the economy went for Clinton. "Economic anxiety" was nothing but a cover story for bigotry and xenophobia.

Most of the people at the coup were not some poor struggling workers mad at a system that's forsaken them. They were rich white people that could afford to take a week off work to fly to DC and get room and board during an extremely busy period, whose anger is still rooted entirely in the fact that they can't own other people anymore.

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u/GaiasWay Sep 25 '22

And police officers. Dont forget how many j6'ers are LEO's.

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u/scrangos Sep 24 '22

Humans are too unpredictable and, real estate isn't very useful if its a nuclear wasteland, even for machines. Though might still be worth it if the AI is coming in as an underdog and needs to even the playing field before the humans realize whats going on.

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u/Responsenotfound Sep 24 '22

Wasting resources on building physical things. Probably just need gun turrets for data centers.

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u/Tangent_Odyssey South Carolina Sep 25 '22

There is an old sci-fi movie called War Games that contains a famous scene in which an AI is tasked with governance of a war initiative. It’s calculations are modeled after a game like chess. After its computations are complete, it concludes: “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”

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u/energyvampire1 Sep 24 '22

"Hasta Altavista, baby."

  • Bill Gates

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u/-ZeroF56 Sep 24 '22

“Hasta Windowsvista”

-Bill Gates

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u/devi83 Sep 25 '22

If we all quit Twitter, the Twitter bots will cause a civil war amongst themselves.

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u/Cognitive_Spoon Sep 25 '22

Let them fight

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u/TheAverageJoe- California Sep 25 '22

I'm in IT and it is absurd how the public at large has their head in the sand. I mention anything about bot farms, grid tampering, increased cyber attacks, and all I get in response is either "fake news/conspiracy theory much bro?/what?."

We're so fucked as a country and mostly everyone who isn't in either tech/government/military are so oblivious to that fact.

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u/Illustrious_Dig_2520 Sep 24 '22

Wait, we don't even get the cool parts of the dystopia?

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u/Castelinoz Sep 24 '22

Take this as a rule of thumb from now on;

Any theoretical disastrous scenario predicted by fictional media will turn out to be a much more boring and disappointing version in reality.

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u/AdjNounNumbers Michigan Sep 24 '22

So, like a nuclear war, but all the guidance systems got screwed up by an underpaid programmer and end up hitting corn fields in Iowa and the middle of the desert, so instead we all get to die slowly by radiation instead

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u/LvS Sep 25 '22

No, you'd not die by radiation, you'd die by hunger or freeze to death, see this video.

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u/Karcinogene Sep 25 '22

Good news, a team has figured out how to produce food during a nuclear winter. By growing mushrooms in wood shavings and farming low-light algae at a massive scale, and a few other things, we could feed the entire population. We probably wouldn't, but we could.

https://www.tabledebates.org/research-library/how-feed-everyone-nuclear-winter

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u/Transplantdude Sep 25 '22

Don’t forget the starvation

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u/Bilun26 Sep 24 '22

Odds are nuclear war wouldn't get all of us- just set us back a century or two, cause a lot of people to die(most in its aftermath) make life a lot less pleasant for the next few generations for the survivors.

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u/ValkyrX Sep 25 '22

Would be like the first season of Jericho

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u/WhoBurped Sep 24 '22

Any theoretical disastrous scenario predicted by fictional media will turn out to be a much more boring and disappointing version in reality.

think "The Road" with Viggo Mortensen

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u/WinterBright Sep 25 '22

If we don't kill each other in nuclear war, this is the most likely outcome I'm sure.

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 South Carolina Sep 24 '22

Yep we go out with a whimper, not a bang

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u/fakehalo Sep 25 '22

I miss being afraid of monsters and the unknown like when I was a kid. This brand of slow moving mental decay is worse than any monster I could have come up with my imagination. I think the numbing hopelessness of it is worse than actual fear, like there is nothing I can do about it and it has to play itself out.

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 South Carolina Sep 24 '22

Yep no fallout for us to play, the roaches win after all

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u/ClubMeSoftly Sep 25 '22

More accurately: you know how the first time you played Fallout 1, you died to the radroaches in the cave at the start?

Yeah

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u/Dokterrock Sep 24 '22

"Do not expect too much from the end of the world" - Umberto Eco

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u/therapewpewtic Sep 24 '22

“Come with me if you want to tweet!”

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u/KingKlugg772 Sep 24 '22

“I know now why you subscribe”

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u/Forward-Bank8412 Sep 24 '22

“Though it is something I can never do.”

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u/MechanicalTurkish Minnesota Sep 24 '22

I need a vacation.

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u/DweEbLez0 Sep 24 '22

Twitter AI: “Where is John O’Connor?”

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u/SidSzyd Sep 24 '22

Who is your daddy and what does he do?

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u/Bipedal_Warlock Texas Sep 24 '22

And Reddit bots.

They’re here too

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u/jitterbug726 Sep 24 '22

They didn’t tell us what machines we’d be fighting!

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u/moscowrules America Sep 24 '22

I mean, I’d rather fight twitter bots than terminators I guess.

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u/newusername4oldfart Sep 24 '22

The Twitter bots convince people to assault you in your home.

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u/quantumOfPie Sep 24 '22

In the Rwandan genocide there apparently were people with a bloody machete in one hand and a small radio in the other (listening to hate talk radio). In the USA it'll be AR-15's and airpods. Imagine being killed by some dumbass ranting Qanon nonsense.

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u/dougveldrane Sep 24 '22

See what you do is start accusing them of being with the Clinton satanic alien pedo ring based out of area 53... They'll think you're one of them and leave you be

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u/chuckangel Sep 24 '22

I grew up expecting hackers stealing government secrets, corporate patents and financial information and what did we get?

Dick pills. Lots and lots of dick pills.

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u/serpicowasright Sep 24 '22

I was promised “phased plasma rifles in the 40-watt range” and all I got was the US militaries psyop bot farms.

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u/WhiteyFiskk Sep 24 '22

Funny how we went from a struggle between the working class vs the wealthy to people backing their favourite billionaire in some ridiculous Elon vs Bezos or Trump vs Soros fued while they allvlaugh and become richer. Not to mention they have taken pressure off themselves by making the workers divided over small differences like race, sex and sexuality while they continue to fuck us over.

For our lives to improve we need to realise who the real enemy is and stop letting ourselves be divided against each other. The 1% fears a united front of workers so they will continue to put our attention on the "pedo" trans activist or the "racist" trump voter to keep our hatred pointed away from them.

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u/FamiliarWater Sep 24 '22

Twitter bots are basically agents.

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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Sep 24 '22

psychological

Excuse me, are you suggesting that the 2020 election wasn’t stolen by a satanic pedo elite who are bent on wiping out white Christian America with gender affirming surgery?/s

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u/amyisarobot Sep 24 '22

You forgot to mention the Lizard People

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u/THEPRESIDENTIALPENIS Sep 24 '22

Their monarch died just the other day, they’re on the back foot

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u/browndog03 Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

JFK Jr is returning to help any day now!

Side note: why TF do they think JFK would be supportive of them???

Edit: JFK Jr

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u/Tin_ManBaby Sep 24 '22

It doesn't matter who he was, fame is the currency. All that matters is that he is immediately famous and his name is pure nostalgia.

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u/Good-Expression-4433 Sep 24 '22

Over on conspiracy, there was a very high traffic post about how all of us transgender people are products of Bill Gates brainwashing the population with radio waves, vaccines, and now even worse with 5G, and forcing us into being trans to make us into the image of his lord Baphomet.

And the people were fucking serious when you dove into their post histories.

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u/Psych_Im_Burnt_Out Sep 25 '22

Conspiracy got raided and over taken by contrarians around the traitors election. They don't believe in conspiracy theories, they believe the commonly accepted science, logic, and critical thinking answers are wrong and refuse to acknowledge basic things like proven facts or realm of possibility.

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u/megastrone Sep 25 '22

Possibly bots seeding conspiracy notions to see what takes, probing sentiment, or reaping karma? Or just bored teens?

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u/another_bug Sep 24 '22

Of course not, outright rejecting that is so polarized. We clearly must find the middle ground between fact and incoherent rambling.

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u/b-lincoln Sep 24 '22

I get no less than 10 texts a day saying literally this and begging for money. I wish that I was kidding as I have no way of blocking them.

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u/ChemicalDeath47 Sep 24 '22

This game long since came to an end. Political polarization? Is he fucking insane? One side is, "hey let's not let law enforcement murder people." And "Women should probably be allowed to control their own bodies." The other side is burning books and trying to make a grifter king.

There is no polarization. It's not eco terrorists vs white nationalists. It's people who think being alive is neat and should continue for everyone vs people who can barely contain their monstrous glee when the "correct" people get killed.

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u/stanthebat Sep 25 '22

Political polarization? Is he fucking insane?

It's like describing a mugging as "polarization". Somehow we have lost the ability to be civil with the guy who is mugging us. How can we end this terrible polarization?

The reason we're "polarized" is that half the country has abandoned reality. The solution to the problem is not to meet them halfway. The truth is NOT somewhere in the middle.

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u/TheAverageJoe- California Sep 25 '22

The truth is finishing what the North should had done to the South. But we got to thank that fuck Jackson who stopped Reconstruction.

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u/b_pilgrim Sep 25 '22

I used to think "the truth is somewhere in the middle" but man, those days are long gone.

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u/cficare Sep 25 '22

people who can barely contain their monstrous glee when the "correct" people get killed.

You mean the self-titled "Christians" in this "Christian nation". Just ruminate on how sick that side of it is.

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u/AggressiveBee5961 Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Thank you! For a man who acknowledges how severe climate change is and how things may be too late in that regard, why the fuck is he so afraid to just say that the misinformation is HEAVILY influencing one side more than the other. Like part of this whole "polarization" problem is because people won't just come out and say that the right wing in this country is literally failing us in every area that matters. Ecologically, socially, financially. Arguably climate change is the only issue cause if the planet starts failing us then none of the other issues matter, and that is a topic he fully understands.

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u/Weltall8000 Sep 25 '22

Yeah, the national conversation is just off the rails. We're not debating alternatives to how to deal with the same problems and thinking one way is a little better than the other, we're talking about how one side sees the planet burning and flooding, with impending ecological disaster and saying "we need to do something serious to address this"...and the other side says, "nuh uh! There is no problem!" or "we value democracy" meanwhile, "we need to crown our guy and it is okay if I literally throw away other people's ballots and then I vote multiple times."

This is not politicizing, this is having a society of normal people trying to keep a society functioning while terrorists are hacking away at it.

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u/redrumWinsNational Sep 24 '22

We are prepared for war with outsiders but it’s the enemy within which will take us down

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u/Expensive-Bet3493 Sep 24 '22

All that preparedness and money spent on weapons, military, technology to rule over, etc. we should have been protecting the health of our own citizens. Medical help, mental health support, food, shelter, free energy, etc. We should not be an icon of freedom. We need a hard wake up call and a lot of healing and changing to do. I believe we can, but not with this divided political war.

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u/tommles Sep 25 '22

But that's socialism!!!

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 Gold Helpful Starry

It won't be a civil war. It will be domestic terrorism.

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u/ArmedAntifascist Sep 24 '22

Civil wars aren't two sides in color-coded uniforms facing each other on battlefields anymore. Modern civil wars are a mess of state-sanctioned and non-state actors engaging in all levels of violence (from artillery barrages to targeted assassination) against one another based on what their shifting alliances are that day.

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u/jcpenni Sep 24 '22

The Troubles 2.0

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u/Blank_bill Sep 25 '22

The Urban Wars.

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u/Tangent_Odyssey South Carolina Sep 25 '22

This is where power of the state collapses and corporations finally go from covert to overt control of the world…if William Gibson and Michael Pondsmith have taught me anything.

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u/libmrduckz Sep 25 '22

‘The Crazy Years’ ~ R. Heinlein

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u/VeganPizzaPie Sep 25 '22

Do I at least get to fall asleep in a plate of synth spaghetti?

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u/BedlamiteSeer Sep 25 '22

Soon ish probably, yeah.

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u/shmeg_thegreat Sep 24 '22

It’ll be a surreal form of insurgencies that end up being dismissed by large portions of people…until it happens in their town, and even then….some will just shrug and go on in to punch that time clock like they always have.

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u/plantoj Sep 25 '22

This reminds me of the dinner scene in the movie Brazil. The bomb goes off in the restaurant and they just quickly cover it up and the people who survived just go about eating as if it never happened.

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u/pale_blue_dots Sep 25 '22

Geebus. It's been so long since I've seen that movie. I'm going to have to have a rewatch.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

I know that. Who is going to be fighting who? It is much more likely to be terrorists attacking soft targets as many others have stated.

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u/LatrellFeldstein Sep 25 '22

Maybe things have changed since I used to go clubbing a lot but from what I remember the drag queens are far from defenseless. These are folks that've been a target for most of their lives, the ones I knew stayed ready.

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u/bpierce2 Sep 25 '22

This. The EU isn't supporting MAGA lol.

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u/frogandbanjo Sep 24 '22

It's going to be quasi-isolated acts of violence that are more symbolic than anything else - except, you know, to the people who literally get injured and killed, and their loved ones, etc. etc. - that are just a dark mirror of what's happening near the commanding heights of power.

Donald Trump becoming president was, literally, a major victory in a modern civil war.

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u/Omegastar19 Sep 24 '22

The designation of terrorist is a bit irrelevant in this argument. Its gonna be random civilians that have been radicalized and whipped into fanaticism who will commit acts of violence and destruction.

As for who it is going to be…well, we all know who it is going to be. The really frightening thing is that law enforcement isn’t going to stop them because 80%-90% of them support the side that is doing the radicalisation.

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u/Five_Decades Sep 24 '22

Yup, it'll be just like the civil rights movement. State sponsored oppression and small groups of terrorists with the support of local law enforcement.

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u/Five_Decades Sep 24 '22

Plus large amounts of arms, intelligence and psyops from other nations with an interest in who wins the war.

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u/Yah_Mule Sep 24 '22

With disappointing punishment, which will only encourage more.

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u/Ok-Albatross6794 Sep 24 '22

Which is already happening.... One would hope, breaking into the capital building to disrupt a federal election would carry a heavier sentence than a couple months.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois Sep 24 '22

Might be a space issue.

Just pardon all the weed offenders in prison and use that available space for seditionists.

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u/brjacobso California Sep 25 '22

It's already started. With so many election deniers getting in office and more to come. Get ready for states like Florida and Texas to start defying federal laws, orders from courts etc and Feds and state police facing off.

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u/HappyApple99999 Sep 24 '22

In places where the MAGAs actually are the majority and could rebel all you have to do is cut off Federal Aid and they will collapse

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u/duckhunt420 Sep 25 '22

If the MAGAs control government, there's basically no recourse.

And odds are they will because our elections are biased towards Republicans

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u/thetasigma_1355 Sep 24 '22

It becomes a civil war when “authorities” don’t try to capture or hold the terrorists accountable.

We’re not quite there yet but you only have to look at the downplaying of the Jan 6 traitors and terrorists to see how this could end up much more divisive than just some isolated terrorists cells killing innocents for fun.

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u/CJLocke Sep 25 '22

That's basically what a modern civil war is. Look at The Troubles in Ireland. That's what the US is in for.

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u/Busman123 Sep 24 '22

Well, isnt Bill Gates a popular boogeyman for the MAGAs?

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u/JoeGibbon Sep 24 '22

Bigly, especially with the Qonspiracy-minded among them.

If I remember correctly, the story was he planned to "microchip" people to track them. Covid came along, so he and other globalist elites hatched a conspiracy to mandate vaccines and put the microchip in it. After the Q theories started blowing up, more mainstream right wing media outlets started doing hit pieces on Gates too.

I kind of miss the 90s and early 2000s, when Gates was unpopular for understandable reasons like antitrust issues, ripping off other people's intellectual property and fuggin Windows 98.

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u/YourWordsMatter Sep 25 '22

I'm still hot from Windows Millenium Edition. The amount of time I spent trying to unfuck that OS could have earned me a PhD.

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u/AngryBudgie13 Indiana Sep 24 '22

To the tune of “he put serpent DNA in the COVID vaccine to make human devil hybrids”

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u/fpcoffee Texas Sep 25 '22

I thought it was microchips in the vaccines so the government can spy on you?

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u/AngryBudgie13 Indiana Sep 25 '22

Well that too. The conspiracies aren’t consistent.

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u/Big-Consideration-55 Sep 24 '22

My God. You mean Facebook treating human attention span as a commodity, and prioritizing outrage content and click bait that leads to radicalization over responsible and truthful content moderation has consequences apart from profit?

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u/mrsavealot Sep 25 '22

Mark Zuckerberg came to finish what Rupert Murdoch started

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u/stomach Sep 25 '22

truly unimaginable historically horrible twats. it's really tough to witness

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u/xxxxx420xxxxx Sep 25 '22

They need to reduce their divisive content, but not at the expense of those sweet shareholder quarterly returns

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u/Proper-Code7794 Sep 25 '22

anyone who had Soc knows TicTok is cancer

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u/BabyBitchRedditor Sep 25 '22

Yeah, Facebook. But not reddit though, we're the smart ones doing things the right way.

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u/FuzzyCub20 Sep 24 '22 Gold Take My Energy Starry

Billionaires stole our money, American workers money, and people bend over backwards to suck their dicks. It blows my mind that the minimum wage is $7.25/hr still and our elected officials haven't taxed these fuckers or passed meaningful legislation. We need a change yesterday.

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u/BentleyRMi Sep 25 '22

Our elected officials make too much money from those billionaires to change anything. They will always do what their overlords tell them. Changing things for the better of the people is counter productive to the billionaire's draining of the 99%.

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u/Girth_rulez Sep 25 '22

Let's not forget about corporate welfare. And God damn it let's not forget about the other side of this equation too. The money we raise in taxes has to be spent responsibly.

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u/BentleyRMi Sep 25 '22

Unfortunately, as long as there's no oversight and any billionaire can buy themselves a politician, things won't get better. Who controls these policies? Congress, who are only there to line their pockets. They go in moderately wealthy and come out multi millionaires.

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u/ProtonPi314 Sep 24 '22

He's sort of right but sort of wrong.

Like some said, fascism will definitely bring the country closer to a civil war. Not living in reality will also play a major role. If you keep lying to people and the believe the lies, that is extremely problematic.

Inequality will also play a huge role. When the rich keep taking more, and people start to get hungry , it will lead to violence, poverty tends to do that.

There's a lot that needs to change to get society back on the path of civility.

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u/AtheistHomoSapien Sep 24 '22

I watched a few documentaries focused on revolutions and civil wars throughout the years in different countries and the most common factor was the ratio of wealth between the rich and the average citizen and we are WAY WAY beyond all of the previous wealth ratios I know of. I think the only reason we haven't had one YET is we have become a world wide economy instead of just us and our immediate neighbors. We have more complex distractions put into play like better entertainment in movies, games, and other things. Manufactured culture wars and other things in media are more carefully turned into propaganda in a more researched and intelligent way to "control" the masses as well. I really think if things don't change drastically soon though to address the underlying wealth ratio gap things will get crazy. That's my speculation. People may not know that was the underlying issue for the revolutions but it is the most common reason in history even if the people didn't know that was the specific reason in the first place at the time. They just knew they were being treated unfairly and or unjustly.

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u/GregNak Sep 24 '22

I agree with you. I think it’s as simple as being able to provide for your family. When people can’t afford a roof and food, that is when people will go to drastic measures to attain just that. It’s already starting in large cities not so much in rural America yet.

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u/Commercial_Yak7468 Sep 25 '22

I think it has been happening in rural America for a while. The difference is a number of families in rural America count living in a dilapidated trailer as "affording a roof". And they don't nessicarlily make a stink about it because they have been conditioned for generations to think that is normal living.

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u/SarcasticCowbell Sep 25 '22

They've been conditioned for decades to live with it because their chosen leaders tell them they're better than the richest non-whites, while those same leaders steal the money out of their pockets. As long as conservative media gives them an "other" to blame, malign and target for their problems, they will gladly swallow that lie. As they get more desperate, they carry out attacks on those same targets instead of taking it out on the grifters who hold them down.

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u/EyeRepresentative327 Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 25 '22 Helpful (Pro)

Unchecked crony capitalism will be our ruin. Campaign finance reform to take money and fraud out of politics is the critical step/hurdle we need to overcome. Will need at least 60% of senate, same in congress, plus a non corrupt president to make that happen. Maybe all the insanity from the right leads us to a landslide in 2024 where we can actually make critical legislative progress.

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u/tpatmaho Sep 24 '22

Exactly. It is our most fundamental political need to separate politics from big dark money. But this idea is a tough sell, since it isn't sexy and doesn't get people all hopped up like abortion and guns does.

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u/supm8te Sep 25 '22

Lol that won't be happening anytime soon. Discloseact was just voted down in lockstep by - you guessed it- the fucking Republicans. God citizensunited fucked everything so bad and we can't even get disclosure laws on thr books. It's a joke. Corporations own everything including our politicians.

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u/Nokomis34 Sep 24 '22

Addressing income inequality would go very far in addressing so many other issues.

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u/BasicDesignAdvice Sep 24 '22

If you look throughout history, wealth inequality is the common denominator.

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u/enjoyingbread Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

It's always the lower classes fighting for their rights and basic needs while the upper classes try to keep the lion's share of wealth, land, and power to themselves.

From Roman plebians to the French revolution, to our modern times; the rich and powerful will take everything they can while everyone else suffers to get by.

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u/aoelag Sep 24 '22

"tribalism is wrong" --Bill Gates & CNN centrist-types

You want to know what's wrong?

Fascism is wrong.

Denying people healthcare or abortions based on BS is wrong.

Lying about elections is wrong.

Letting the police do whatever the HELL they want with NO oversight is wrong.

Billionaires getting stock buy backs with american taxpayer money is wrong.

Matt "public venmo" gaetz walking around and using his public office to spread lies is WRONG.

This isn't a "partisan" "polarization" "tribalism" issue.

Republicans want to dump toxic waste in your local river. Do you "see both sides" on such an issue? Should we "compromise"? "Oh sure, please dump half your toxic waste into our rivers, chemical companies need to make max profits after all" NO. NO. NO.

You do not compromise with BAD FAITH ACTORS. Bill Gates, who is sitting on our FARMLAND NOW, is the last megalomaniac who should be opining on morality. Get. Lost.

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u/farscry Sep 24 '22

This. The raging steady march of income inequality -- of which Mr. Gates has played a role and shares culpability-- is the fuel that fascism is able to use to stoke the fires of xenophobic nationalism.

Yes, the Republican leadership and right-wing media are primarily to blame for the overt growth of political radicalism in the 21st century US, but their success is largely due to the de facto poverty of so much of the US population. When you aren't officially poor but you can't afford necessities and your livelihood is at constant risk of being ripped out from under you, it makes you susceptible to the blame game that is tearing this nation apart at the seams.

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u/VanceKelley Washington Sep 24 '22 Take My Energy

Rather than calling it "political polarization" which seems to "both sides" the issue, can we instead say that it is the rise of fascism that "may bring democracy, the rule of law, and human civilization to an end"?

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u/sloopslarp Sep 24 '22

Let's be real.

Only one party is forcing ten-year-olds to give birth.

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u/DrSeuss321 Sep 24 '22

He’s rich, he’s not on our side, what else do you expect from him lmao

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u/flyover_liberal Sep 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

If by "political polarization" you mean "radicalization of the right wing", then sure.

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u/UponYourPointOfView Sep 24 '22

Pretty much. Socialists still have basically no representation or organization unfortunately. At least some libs are fond of Labor movements but until there's a staunch socialist party I would expect labor to keep deteriorating and inequality to continue rising

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u/Process-Best Sep 24 '22

I know right? I'm personal getting pretty fucking tired of hearing that bullshit both sides term thrown around

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u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 Sep 25 '22

How frustrating would it be if your neighbor constantly lit your lawn on fire and when you call the police they say "Well let's hear his side of the story."

To which your neighbor claims he had nothing to do with it and maybe you lit your own lawn on fire to try and frame him.

That is what it's like dealing with Republicans and their voters.

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u/Berryblex Sep 24 '22

For real, there is no left wing equivalent of Q anon

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u/Chi-Guy86 Sep 24 '22 Helpful

These billionaire elites have a ridiculous lack of self-awareness. The takeover of our government by corporate America and the ultra wealthy beginning in the Reagan era has been a major factor in our societal decline. The pursuit of profits over people has left us with a hollowed out government full of corrupt stooges, and people’s trust in government has eroded because of it

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u/LazeLinez Sep 25 '22

What’s funnier is that a lot of them have bought mega-bunkers that contain like 10 years worth of food, medical supplies, etc. thinking that if they’re ever faced with the consequences of the inequality they’ve created, they can just bail and ride it out underground. The paranoia that comes with that kind of wealth is insane.

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u/ParticularAnything Sep 25 '22

It makes sense to have one if shit hits the fan, for them it's a drop in the bucket, proportionally it would be less than what we'd pay for insurance

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u/SmarterThanYouIRL Sep 24 '22

At this point, I think some kind of political violence in the next few years is inevitable.

Not sure it’ll be a civil war, in the classic sense. More like a ragtag bunch of gravy seals who are convinced once the shooting starts, military and police will be one their side. Some might be, but not as many as they think.

Lincoln's House Divided Speech

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u/authorPGAusten Sep 25 '22

We already have political violence regularly. Did you miss the 2020 riots? There are skirmishes between Antifia/Proud boys semi-regularly, and my guess is those will continue to esculate

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u/TiredTim23 I voted Sep 25 '22

Just this week two people were having a political issue and one guy ran the other over with his car.

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u/bongreaper666 Sep 24 '22

That is public information:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/bill-melinda-gates-foundation/totals?id=D000031958

As a matter of fact, the Gates Foundation has increased their donations to republicans since 2016

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u/purplegladys2022 Sep 24 '22

Easily looked up. The foundation has donated to both parties over the years, more to Democrats than Republiqans.

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance Sep 24 '22

Also notice he bemoans the polarization, so he gets to blame whoever is noticeably upset about all the problems we're dealing with, rather than the people quietly creating all the problems that are polarizing us.

The only thing he wants to change is that he wants people to stop rocking the boat and complaining about the issues.

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u/Shibboleeth Sep 24 '22

I mean when the two options are:

  • Universal healthcare
  • Take away basic human rights and shove people in ovens

I don't really think a civil war should be on the table. But if it really needs to be to determine that putting people in ovens is bad, then I guess that's where we're at.

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u/WAR_T0RN1226 Sep 25 '22

The thing is, whenever push comes to shove all of these people touting a balanced middle position ALWAYS choose the second option. They have every single time throughout history

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u/darsky49 Sep 25 '22

Yep. There’s no “both sides” when one side is literal fascism.

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u/cupofspiders Sep 25 '22

Well, when two sides are in extreme opposition to one another, the right course of action must lie somewhere in the middle! Therefore, we should allow the removal of human rights, but just like, a few, and surely the people taking them away will appreciate our civility and stop at just those few.

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u/WardenUnleashed Sep 24 '22

Considering my mother in law thinks that Bill Gates/Jeff Bezos have helped develop vaccines that have side-effects to decrease fertility as a means of population control, I think we are well on our way!

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u/obsertaries Washington Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

I hope that on some level he realizes that his very existence is part of the problem and as such, it’s not possible for him to be part of the solution. Unless he wants to cash in his entire net worth and distribute it to all Americans on an income based schedule with the goal of reducing inequality. No rich guy yet has been willing to do that.

Edit: and all future income.

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u/vpuetf Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

This is why it is so important for the DOJ to prosecute Trump and the ultra MAGAs. They all need to be in prison and never allowed be in government again.

There are also deep problems with about 25% of the country are delusional and brainwashed by right wing propaganda. They need to be deprogrammed, or Bill Gates is right they WILL start a civil war. We need strong programs to educate these people in a controlled setting before it's too late.

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u/d3dmnky Sep 24 '22

How can anyone do that without it looking to the crazies like it’s a “reeducation camp system”?

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u/sneakysnake128 Sep 24 '22

By not giving a shit about what crazies think because if you let civil war salesmen like Trump continue selling civil war by ramping up fear of the other through social media platforms, the alternative of actual civil war is worse.

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u/d3dmnky Sep 25 '22

To be clear, I’m on your side.

I’m just saying that it might be exceedingly difficult to convince delusional people that they are delusional. Having once been a conservative during my young adult life, I can tell you that conservatives have been yapping about re-education camps for several decades now. Any attempt to “de-program” will likely just be violently received as the prophecy coming true. It’s almost like they knew this would be the logical conclusion and laid the defensive groundwork long ago.

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u/leftrightandwrong Sep 24 '22

This kind of bs always feels directed at the left. What exactly do these kinds of commentators suggest people do?

Go lecture the Christian fascists about political polarization ffs.

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u/Locke_Moghan Sep 25 '22

Just talking about "political polarization" is a form of false equivalency. It implies there isn't one party that is fighting to continue democracy, and another party actively engaging in pushing government into a state of authoritarianism.

Because that's exactly what we're faced with. Bill Gates is an out-of-touch idiot, or he's just pandering to out-of-touch moderates.

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u/Stock-Ad-5502 Sep 24 '22

The real issue is all these BILLIONAIRES causing the polarization by funding the right wing propaganda machine consisting of Fox News, OAN, Newsmax, right wing talk radio, and social media. Bill needs to tell his billionaire buddies to knock it off or maybe help fund progressive media networks to provide people with an actual source of truth. I get so angry when people talk about polarization. It's not polarization. It's a bunch of rich libertarian conmen pulling the strings on an army of brainwashed working class people.

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u/Mr_Meng Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

At this point it's really hard to see the divide in the US be fixed with anything other than force because one side has completely stopped operating in reality. For there to be peace and compromise both sides need to have sensible goals that have a grounding in reality. You can disagree with 'less taxes on the rich and less government in business' but at least those were political positions that could be defended/argued against in a reasonable debate.

Now that the GOP have basically gone all in on 'Trump is the god king of America and the Democrats are literal devils who want to destroy the country' there's no coming back from that and there's no middle ground. Republicans have tossed reality into the dumpster and now want to take the country back to the time of the Salem witch trials and they want to be able to discriminate and persecute anyone they don't like/agree with and they will not accept anything else. I'd really like to be wrong about this but I really can't see those people changing unless they are forced to change. They will have to be forced to accept that Trump is a grifting criminal. They will have to be forced to accept that their backwards thinking is ruining the country. And they will have to be forced to accept that the GOP and corporations aren't looking out for them but the government is. Of course this will be incredibly difficult given North American society's love of freedom from consequences and responsibilities.

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u/neverpostnorcomment Sep 24 '22

Polarization is not the problem. Fascism is the problem. If you have no fascism, you have no polarization.

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u/another_bug Sep 24 '22

Yeah, I really hate the term "polarization". It implies two people who both need to step back and find some amicable solution that works for both.

What we have here is right and wrong. The middle ground between right and wrong is still wrong.

If two people are in a shouting match about what to have for dinner, that's polarization. If two people are arguing about whether or not everyone deserves to be treated like human beings, that's a very different scenario.

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u/xxxxx420xxxxx Sep 25 '22

One side wants universal health care and education, the other side wants public executions. Both sides are the same.

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u/tickleyourfanny Blackfeet Sep 24 '22

The ultra wealthy who are polarizing the system and using their resources to keep people fighting over anything they can, are gonna lead to a civil war...The war isn't going to play out like they think though.

People like gates shouldn't exist as billionaires. They are all criminals to some degree and pretending to use their resources to supposedly help people but instead just keep hoarding more and more for themselves. Unimaginable wealth

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance Sep 24 '22

He bemoans all the stuff that could affect his property rights.

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u/fowlraul Oregon Sep 24 '22

Agreed, there should be some sort of wealth cap…somewhere around the time they have more money than Detroit or something.

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u/Mr_friend_ Sep 25 '22

We've BEEN in a civil war, on January 6th, 2021 Republicans tried to overthrow the government, kill the VP, Speaker, Senate leaders, and install a dictator.

That's crazier than anything we ever saw during the actual Civil War. We just can't contextualize how clearly in the middle of a war we're in because we're not reading about it in 3 pages of a US History textbook. But rest assured when our great grandchildren learn about this in future textbooks it'll be clear to them we've been in a civil war.

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u/GreenlightSavant Sep 25 '22

This man literally predicted Covid so watch out

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u/ThatOrangePuppy Sep 25 '22

Ironically I blame moderates. Blocking natural progress. Disenfranchising people from politics and driving them to the right. Hiding the truth and what's needed for change. Driving politics further and further right by choosing business over people .

And the right and left aren't two sides of the same coin, the left is about evidence based ideas to make people and planet better the right is just a crack pot of various hysteria, greed and ignorance.

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u/roweodub Sep 25 '22

Nice try Gates. It’s the polarization of wealth not politics that WILL lead to civil war. FDR knew it and forced the Carnegie’s, Rockefeller’s, and their ilk to support social security and other social programs. Time to get off your fucking high horse there’s no need for anyone to have the type of wealth you think your entitled to.

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u/Rocknb007 Sep 25 '22

People who are far removed from normal, every day life and are invested in the current system will use the “both sides” rhetoric like this instead of addressing the actual issue at hand head on. Right wing extremism.

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u/Kahzgul California Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Bill is full of shit. Not because he’s wrong that extremism is a danger to democracy, but because he is rich enough to buy up the media that spreads extremist propaganda and stop them from doing that, and he refuses to.

It’s like if the fire department said that house on fire could burn down the neighborhood and then watched football instead of fucking helping.

edit: y'all keep acting like this is a serious proposal. It's not. I'm pointing out that Bill is paying lip service to an issue that is well within his means to actually do something about, and yet he refuses to do jack shit. It's like screaming that there's no milk for your cereal when you live next door to a grocery store that is well stocked with milk.

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u/WhileEarly Sep 25 '22

not his job to fix the media, nor should it ever be

and I have my doubts hes rich enough to buy all conservative media outlets.

and I have my doubts even if he did, that they would just suddenly cease to exist... being that now they would have all of Gate's wealth.

Wow, I'm sweating after thinking all that through. Can anyone hand me a towel?

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u/Over_Possible_8397 Sep 25 '22

Coming from a tech billionaire who harvests data to propagandize others and sell to the government, I find such a comment utterly pointless. If you want a clear example of political terrorism in this country, look at the right. Last I checked, left wing politicians aren’t using the machinations of the state to commit human trafficking like DeSantis.

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u/mainstreetmark Sep 24 '22

But they'll blame it on the Democrats. And they'll believe it.

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u/DweEbLez0 Sep 24 '22

Name one positive Republican policy?

If anything they don’t matter other than a grift to take power.

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u/lactose_cow Sep 24 '22

thanks bill gates.

can you stop hording all that wealth please

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