r/technology Aug 13 '22 Silver 3 Helpful 2 Wholesome 5 Take My Energy 1 Giggle 1

Study Shows Anti-Piracy Ads Often Made People Pirate More Security

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/11/study-shows-anti-piracy-ads-often-made-people-pirate-more/
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u/creamof_yeet Aug 13 '22 Take My Energy

Because I didn’t know I could get it for free before I saw the ad

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u/DigNitty Aug 13 '22

Also the idea that they’re making the PSA because everyone is doing it lets you know that…everyone is doing it.

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u/JungleBoyJeremy Aug 13 '22

Oh so it works the same as that DARE program I had to take back in school

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u/Aggraphine Aug 13 '22 Silver

Congratulations to drugs for winning the war on drugs.

Congratulations to piracy for winning the war on piracy.

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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka Aug 13 '22

Almost like the world could use some better leadership than from 1950s old farts.

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u/LawfulMuffin Aug 14 '22

1940s*. Bush, Clinton, and Trump were born within like a month of one another iirc. Biden was born in 1942. Then of course Pelosi was born 1940 and chick Schumer 1950. Prior to chuck being majority leader , Mitch McConnell was born 1942.

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u/abstractConceptName Aug 13 '22

Drugs? What are they?

You're daring teenagers to take them?

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u/JobberTrev Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 13 '22 You Dropped This

My favorite story like this was when I got back from Afghanistan in 2012, they held a company formation telling us all about Spice....how they can't actually test for it, what it does. Now up to this point I had no clue what it was. Then they listed like 5 gas stations that us soldiers weren't allowed to go to because they are selling spice.

Edit...I got out of the army in 2012...I meant 2009. That's when I got back.

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u/gangofminotaurs Aug 13 '22

"Oh, and here's the Red District"

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u/TheRedLego Aug 14 '22

They admitted they couldn’t test for it? How dumb can you get?

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u/KineticPolarization Aug 14 '22

What is spice?

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u/Sualocin Aug 14 '22

"The spice extends life. The spice expands consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel."

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u/Marenwynn Aug 14 '22

The spice must flow

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u/HighMarshalSigismund Aug 14 '22

I’m a simple man, I see Dune quotes I upvote.

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u/01029838291 Aug 14 '22

Synthetic Marijuana or K2 that was pretty popular in 2009-2016 or so. It fucked people up. Causes seizures, hallucinations, psychosis, among other things.

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u/gerorgesmom Aug 14 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

I got passed a joint once not knowing it was spice - they call it Katy here,a play on K2. It was horrible. I was frozen in place I couldn’t even put my arms down. I was staring off into space wondering when people would notice that I was destroyed. And I also knew that I would never be OK again that I was stuck in this state. I could not move. Finally they noticed and moved me over to sit down. I was immobile and panicking on the inside I just couldn’t express it. Finally finally it wore off and I slowly became human again.

It’s a dreadful drug just dreadful.

Another time I was driving down a very busy street when I saw a man laying in the gutter. He was dark black with dark clothing on and I got scared that someone was going to run him over. I turned around and by the time I get there they were a few people gathered around him. He was just staring at his hands like they were snakes. His eyes are wide open as well as his mouth and he was incredulous looking at his hands. Then he looked up and saw us and tried crawling away but into the traffic. He could barely even crawl because he kept having to look at his snake hands. Finally the cops showed up and they were completely nonchalant about it. “ And we see this all the time it’s either Katie or marijuana dipped in embalming fluid.

Jesus.

Don’t ever smoke weed handed to you by a stranger. Many spice heads think it’s funny trick people into smoking it. And it’s cheap so it’s no big expense to part with some.

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u/ExcruciatingBits Aug 14 '22

a synthetic marijuana, which the compound was illegalized so a new variant appeared which was then also illegalized and so on, the first one was pot like in its high but all others were progressively more akin to lab experiments with unknown effects.

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u/wolacouska Aug 14 '22

So prohibition made things worse? Who’d have guessed lmao

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u/PmMeYourKnobAndTube Aug 14 '22

Even the first version was pretty bad. Like cause you to black out for hours and commit violent acts you don't remember bad. All variants were extremely addictive and pretty bad health-wise too. Killed a lot of people.

I think it could have largely been avoided if Marijuana had been recreationally legally. Most people used it because they assumed since it was legal that it was a safe alternative to Marijuana.

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u/wolacouska Aug 14 '22

I’ve been reading into it just now, and my god it’s like MJs evil twin. It’s the type of stuff DARE tried to say actual marijuana would do to you.

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u/MatureUsername69 Aug 13 '22

No, just trying to tell them Drugs Are Really Excellent

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u/Hyperion1144 Aug 13 '22

The only thing I learned from D.A.R.E. was that I wasn't cool enough for anyone to offer me drugs.

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u/Martel732 Aug 14 '22

Yeah, I was actually pretty disappointed with the lack of free drugs that were offered to me as a kid.

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u/Razakel Aug 14 '22

See, the problem with that business model is that kids don't have any money, and Drugs Are Really Expensive.

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u/Imawildedible Aug 13 '22

Cop: don’t even do drugs. Marijauna is basically as bad as heroin and will completely ruin your life.

Teen trying weed for the first time: wait a second. I’m in way more control than when I get drunk. I just want some water and some dill pickle chips and chocolate chunk cookies and some blue Gatorade and holy shit my friends are funny and have you ever thought about how waves move? What else are the cops lying about to me?

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u/JungleBoyJeremy Aug 13 '22

Also: “There’s all these people doing marijuana and they’re gonna offer it to you all the time but you have to be strong and JUST SAY NO”

And I’m sitting in class thinking “if so many people are doing it, maybe there’s something to that marijuana stuff…”

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u/SnipesCC Aug 14 '22

I've been under more peer pressure to use a glass bed on my 3D printer than I ever have for using illegal drugs. I HAVE felt pressured to drink alcohol, to the point where I sometimes drink a glass of orange juice at parties so people assume I am drinking a screwdriver.

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u/WolfOfAsgaard Aug 14 '22

Ok but have you seen how smooth the first layer is on a glass bed? It's good shit.

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u/Kjata2 Aug 13 '22

I got a presentation where they were like "what are some reason teens would do drugs?" There was a lot of the usual reasons like depression, bad home life, etc. I raised my hand and said "cuz they are FUN."

I got detention. Fuckin fascists.

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u/ramblingnonsense Aug 13 '22

I kept waiting for people to offer me free drugs. That didn't happen until my 40s, at which point I gratefully accepted.

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u/EnglishMobster Aug 13 '22

I got offered free drugs once! A friend gave me a blunt when I was like 14. I didn't feel any different, but we watched Zombieland and boy did I want snacks. So I ate a bunch of snacks and then I was tired so I took a nap.

That was the only time I've ever tried any drugs. Honestly a middling experience, I would never want to pay for it. Especially back then when it was still illegal here.

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u/IamScottGable Aug 14 '22

My first experience with coke and weed (in that order, suprisingly) were free but from people I know, not randos looking to get me hooked

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u/taliesin-ds Aug 13 '22

and if heroin is just like pot like the cop said, why not try that next ?

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u/TheRedLego Aug 14 '22

Random shower thought: how do we know DARE isn’t a long con?

More drug busts means more drug fines; more drug arrests means more felonies means more felons means police get even more money

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u/DantePD Aug 14 '22

Every time I see someone mention DARE, I'm compelled to mention that my DARE officer got busted for drug trafficking a year after I finished the program.

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u/appleparkfive Aug 14 '22

I remember my first DARE experience when I was like in 1st or 2nd grade. They explained what the drugs did. And for acid they said "It makes you see dragons and things like that".

That's basically a direct line on how you get a bunch of kids to want to try acid.

Also in like middle school, I remember them saying "Now one cigarette won't kill you, but over time they almost definitely will"

They didn't say anything about that one cigarette leading to an addiction to other cigarettes or anything like that. So the message was "Eh, one's fine"

DARE was such a disaster

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u/big_duo3674 Aug 14 '22

I'm still pissed about DARE honestly. They sat there and made us think people were just going to constantly try to hand me free samples of drugs wherever I went, and that it was going to be this battle to constantly ward them off. 20 years later and the most free highs I ever got were from my weed dealers who I was already about to buy from anyway

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u/atomicbunny Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Well, it did stand for Drug Abuse Resistance Education, so teaching kids to not ABUSE drugs. Everything in moderation. And no one ever walked up to me asking if I wanted to try weed, or put edibles in my trick or treat bag on Halloween, so it was all for nothing anyway.

Edit: /r/woosh to all the replies saying “tHaTs nOt HoW dArE wOrKs aT aLl”

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u/duck_of_d34th Aug 13 '22

I heard you weren't supposed to take drugs from strangers. But if we smoke a joint together, are we really strangers anymore?

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u/FinglasLeaflock Aug 13 '22

Okay, but “everything in moderation” is not now, nor has ever been, part of the DARE curriculum.

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u/Bigfrostynugs Aug 14 '22

Well I don't know how it was for anyone else, but my DARE class was absolutely a propagandic misinformation campaign which focused on total abstinence.

There was zero discussion of harm reduction, just "all drugs will ruin your life so never use any ever."

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u/Xalenn Aug 13 '22

It's like a friendly reminder at the beginning of every movie ....

"Hey, you know you could have just gotten a pirates copy for free"

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u/anumati Aug 13 '22

And you wouldn't have had to sit through this piracy thing

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u/Kayge Aug 13 '22

I remember "back in the day" when they would have the FBI warning, then previews, then ads, none of which were skipable without some overly complex hack.

At one point, a bunch of guys "raced" a DVD and a download to see which we could start first and found we could kick off the download, and get enough to start watching it before the menu was available.

Thus ended our trips to blockbuster.

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u/blind3rdeye Aug 14 '22

Unskippable crap on DVDs are the reason I stopped buying movies. I like to own and collect things that I enjoy; so I would happy keep buying movies - and I'd prefer that over the streaming services... except that buying them is a worse experience compared to just downloading them. When bought DVDs started getting ads at the start... that was the end.

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u/Scienlologist Aug 13 '22

Even if you legally purchase a disk, it takes ~15 minutes to rip a dvd to disk, over 30 minutes for a bluray. If storage space is a concern you're looking at hours to re-encode it. It's definitely faster to just download it.

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u/froop Aug 14 '22

You can download a 4k BluRay remux in the time it takes to brew some popcorn.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 22 '22

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u/Flat_Ferret_9014 Aug 13 '22

you wouldn’t steal a car

If I could get away with it as easily as I can downloading a movie, and the only real victim was the car company itself, I absolutely would

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u/Lolle2000la Aug 13 '22

And the actual car wouldn't be lost, with one more car "popping" into existence, basically creating a second car at no real material cost to everyone from almost nothing.

But seriously, when someone steals a car, the original owner doesn't have it anymore. When someone "steals" (copies/downloads) a movie the original copy is still there and can still be infinitely duplicated. The comparison was stupid from the start.

The reason music privacy went down is because Spotify and all the others usually have every song, so it's actually more convenient to pay for it, knowing that, ideally, you've given back to the artists and don't have to fear any legal troubles. Netflix was that in the beginning, now it isn't, so piracy shot right back up.

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u/ApteryxAustralis Aug 13 '22

See also, Steam with video games

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u/GodspeedandGoodnight Aug 13 '22

Newell was right when he said piracy was a service issue.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

He was right but I think it's fair to say at least some of it is a money issue, for some people.

More importantly, I feel like in the future it's going to be a "service and access" issue. The more invasive and inconvenient DRM becomes, the less willing people will be to pay for it even if it's readily available.

(And I'm telling you right now, those unnecessary TPM 2.0 requirements for Windows 11 should be setting off way more warning bells for the future of DRM and content access on Windows going forward. Microsoft is laying the groundwork for some terrible shit in a few years.)

There's also likely going to be a lot of people pirating just so they can actually have copies of things. When physical media gets killed off completely and direct sales are discontinued, if you don't feel like renting forever, piracy is the only option to have access to it on your terms.

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u/rickyraken Aug 13 '22

These days I'll only do it to get a copy of old games I don't want to see disappear. I can't understand why companies let games like FE Awakening or FF Tactics die.

If they push ads in games though I'm going back to full time pirating. Not paying to hear about the mccrib or underarmor jock straps all day.

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u/Captain_Pumpkinhead Aug 14 '22

I recently had to pirate a game from my childhood, Bookworm Adventures, because you can't buy it anymore. I wanted to buy it. I wanted to own it legit. But you can't, there's no way to buy it anymore.

And this is why it sucks to be a Nintendo fan. All the great Wii U and 3DS games are soon going to be gone from any legal purchasing method aside from used copies, which are finite and will get expensive.

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u/Seakawn Aug 14 '22

Ytf don't Nintendo offer their full library? Do they hate making free money?

People would buy them. They're Nintendos games. Nintendo owns them. Why isn't Nintendo offering them?

Did Nintendo actually lose them? Do they actually not even have their own games anymore? Otherwise, why sit on them?

A stupid question bc I'm sure it's been answered before, but idk so I'm curious.

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u/kurtms Aug 13 '22

I have little to add but that last bit there really resonated with me. I used to be all physical media but so many things nowadays just don't get a physical release. Having a stocked pirated library makes it feel more tangible

Edit: or I think it would. I definitely do not have any pirated media

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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka Aug 14 '22

Think piracy is really down to the following:

  1. Can they afford it easily? This is whether it makes sense from a financial standpoint. Sure they may have the cash on hand, but it is viable for their standard of living to be spending it on the product? Entertainment is basically a REQUIREMENT to live in the modern world. We no longer live in a world where entertainment is a luxury, its basically a necessity due to how the world is structured around 40 hour work weeks and the "economy".
  2. Can they access it easily? This is about whether it makes sense for them to buy/use a service to get a product. Its really two different things. Some services require extra steps, others require subscriptions. Other services aren't offered or require VPNs. In an ideal world, you'd only pay for what you want "like certain channels and certain bandwidths" instead of buying packages and having to deal with "combos/packages/bullshit".

Like what we don't talk about is how many countries have crazy black market/piracy rings. People put tons of data on USB sticks and sell them to people who don't have the bandwidth, time, expertise, knowledge, or even knowing a show exists.

And then these days tons of software we used to use for years like Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop, now require subscriptions in many cases. We're losing the ability to own or use products efficiently and instead being told that we need to treat them like its a subscription service when you might not use it on a regular basis. Crazy.

And at the end of the day for video games, do we even LIKE the games we buy or pirate? Most of the time its a "not really worth your money/time" situation. And that's why people don't want to put money down on somethng that might turn out to be a waste.

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u/HeKis4 Aug 14 '22

People for whom it is a money issue aren't your target audience anyway, or you would have priced your good/service differently, or cut costs, etc.

For games and everything that can be replicated infinitely though, you can not have their money but still have their brain time and their enthusiasm to grow a community, which is the hardest part for most of the indie game world.

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u/ops10 Aug 13 '22

Steam made Russia a viable market. Russia, the hotspot of torrenting and cracking.

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u/moffattron9000 Aug 13 '22

And then Russia made it not a viable market.

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u/ops10 Aug 14 '22

Well, tbf Publishers were already poisoning the well by slowly forgoing regional pricing. Same with Brazil, India and SE Asia.

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u/Thane_Mantis Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

Re: your remarks on Spotify killing piracy.

“One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.”

― Gabe Newell, Steam Deck Deliveryman, on piracy

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u/ryeaglin Aug 13 '22

This is exactly the case. There are two types of pirates. "I can't afford it" and "I can't easily get it"

The first you will never really stop. The second though is easily stopped by a good system and apparently the second group is the much larger group.

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u/SaiyanKirby Aug 14 '22

The first you will never really stop.

And honestly, should you bother? You weren't getting a sale from them regardless. You'd be wasting resources trying to suck blood from a stone.

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u/blue_bayou_blue Aug 14 '22

Sometimes piracy actually works as advertisement. When I was a teenager getting $20 a month allowance, I was an avid reader who borrowed from the library if possible and pirated all the rest. I discovered many authors / series that are auto buys for me now that I have money, that I would never have read without pirating them first years ago.

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u/Seakawn Aug 14 '22

Not just for you in the future, but your family/friends or even strangers.

Let's say I pirate a game. I love it. I tell a bunch of people and they buy it.

Piracy can literally be the reason for why a bunch of sales even occur in the first place.

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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In Aug 13 '22

I'm picturing people walking about using super powers to duplicate Toyotas and some car dealer is just crying softly in the background.

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u/RunThatIn Aug 13 '22

Libby app restricting virtual copies to the number of real books available is a perfect example of why piracy exists lol

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u/wildthing202 Aug 13 '22

That's from the dickhead book people, since they want people to pay $100 for a coffee table book and their entire model would be ruined if more than 3 people read a digital copy of a book at once....

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u/Mazon_Del Aug 13 '22

I forget who said it but there's a quote "Piracy is a distribution problem. Most people are happy to pay for content, they aren't happy to jump through hoops to get it when stealing it is easier.".

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '22

Reposting my comment from a few weeks ago:

Just think about how badass a real pirate would have been: murdering people and taking tangible, valuable objects and currency from people and destroying an expensive vehicle at the risk of their very lives.

Then, compare it to what propagandists call piracy today.

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u/1mikeg Aug 13 '22

"Mom, I finally found copies of A Muppet Family Christmas AND Emmett Otter's Jugband Christmas!"

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u/Malgas Aug 13 '22

Muppet Family Christmas isn't actually that hard to track down a copy of. What's impossible to get is the original broadcast version without any of the songs cut.

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u/Secret_Autodidact Aug 13 '22

Also, piracy isn't like stealing a car. It's like having a friend who made a perfect duplicate of his own car and gave it to you for free.

Because piracy isn't theft.

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u/2rfv Aug 14 '22

Honestly I feel like we shouldn't even use the term piracy because it's damn near synonymous with stealing.

We're sharing files.

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u/nemisys Aug 13 '22

I would download a car, though.

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u/nordic-nomad Aug 13 '22

Do you have enough filament to print it though?

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u/OverPot Aug 13 '22

I already knew they were losing profits they fact they were spending millions in addition to those losses told me it obviously wasn’t hurting them that bad lol

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u/WhoaItsCody Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

My family looks at me like a degen when I bring up not paying for streaming services or sports, while they complain endlessly about having to pay for 3 streaming services.

I still pay to go to movies and shows and games, tons of memorabilia..

Your username makes me uncomfortable. It’s too close to cream of skeet.

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u/IronFlames Aug 13 '22

How would one go about watching sports? I'm sick of paying $70 a month for the two games I watch.

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u/_corn Aug 13 '22

I hypothetically find good success looking up the details of the game with "google drive" at the end of the query. This works even better with movies and tv but you can get a decent amount of sports this way as well. Hypothetically speaking of course

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u/CurlSagan Aug 13 '22

This reminds me how brothel owners would quietly stir up religious groups so their members would go around town with flyers and spread the message that the whorehouse on 8th and Main is an ungodly den of sin and temptation.

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u/pzkenny Aug 13 '22

"You wouldn't go to the website piratebay dot org and wouldn't download one of the files and wouldn't open it in torrent manager to get some movie you can buy for money, would you?"

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u/OverPot Aug 13 '22 Helpful

I’ve gone back to torrenting all shows ever since we have a billion streaming services… I’m not paying 100/mo to watch a 5 shows over 5 platforms.

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u/Ilruz Aug 13 '22

Worst part is that they are shrinking their catalogs. You want to watch again an old movie aaaaand it's gone. I'm back on dvd and Bluray for some titles.

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u/manmadeofhonor Aug 13 '22

Netflix took 30 Rock out, and I am seriously considering opening the unopened DVD player box and going and buying the seasons for cheap somewhere.

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u/jrhoffa Aug 13 '22

Or pirate them for free, because fuck it.

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u/plungedtoilet Aug 13 '22

I was watching Netflix a couple days ago and I kept noticing compression artifacts all over. I have fast enough internet for multiple simultaneous Netflix streams, but one stream from one service is "labeled" as 1080p and has 1080p... except there will be chunks of hundreds of pixels with uniform color. I mean, I run a Plex server and I know that bandwidth or IO operations aren't cheap. So, compression is a part of life for streaming.

But, if I'm paying for good quality streaming... then I don't want to visibly notice the compression. So now, I'll just usually browse Netflix, try watching something there, eventually get annoyed by the poor quality, and then just pirate what I was watching. I can usually find a torrent that was optimized for streaming, but with less noticable compression.

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Aug 14 '22

I honestly do not mind paying a reasonable amount for content, as long as it's ad free. But the streaming services are just fucking us now so we need to fuck back.

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u/jrhoffa Aug 14 '22

Exactly my sentiment.

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u/WindowlessBasement Aug 13 '22

Netflix removing/losing access was a big factor in some people starting to pirate content again.

...fucking Netflix, I was half-way through Heroes...

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u/FuegoPrincess Aug 13 '22

Seriously! I was just re-watching the entire Downton Abbey series to catch back up before watching the latest movie. But for some reason while Peacock has the entire series and the newest movie, they no longer have the first movie. I had already seen it when it was in theaters, and it can only be digitally rented since it’s not currently streaming. So of course the first thing I do is torrent it. It’s silly not to at this point.

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u/BranWafr Aug 13 '22

8th and Main, you say? I better go down there to make sure I know exactly where it is I should be avoiding...

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u/CurlSagan Aug 13 '22

Definitely avoid the area on Tuesdays, when all the whores and booze are 30 percent off.

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u/DigNitty Aug 13 '22

Whores and booze 30% off but you’ll be 100%

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u/mia_elora Aug 13 '22

Praise the Lord & Pass the Booze?

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u/Sojoez Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

There is this "dating website" here that promotes itself as THE place for infidelity. "For the neglected housewife" etc etc. Obviously designed to scam desperate men out of their money, but their billboards are ofc mostly found in the more devout regions of the country which often cause a stir and become local news. Free advertisement!

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u/DezXerneas Aug 14 '22

I read that it's got an 80:20 ratio of men:women lmao.

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u/Banano_McWhaleface Aug 14 '22

I would bet minus the bots it's more like 99:1

Generously.

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u/Sohcahtoa82 Aug 14 '22

More like 80-19-1 where the 19 are bots and the 1 is actually women.

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u/MrMessyAU Aug 13 '22

Sex Cauldron? I thought they closed that place down?

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u/kent2441 Aug 13 '22

I was only in there to get directions on how to get away from there.

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u/rapidpimpsmack Aug 13 '22

They just downsized, it's sex chalice now.

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u/trilliana161 Aug 13 '22

This actually still happens! At least it did the last election cycle in my part of NV. But since brothels and casinos tend to mean paying no state tax, they remain in business.

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u/SimoneNonvelodico Aug 13 '22

drools like Homer Simpson "Sin and temptation..."

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u/zorlan Aug 13 '22

The worst was unskippable anti piracy ads on DVDs. The only people seeing them and suffering through them were people that did the "right" thing.

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u/beardsly87 Aug 14 '22

Yeah that's the ironic thing about these anti-piracy measures, they only affect those who are following the rules and legally buying the legit products. Games and/or videos that require internet access for online activations and entitlement checks or your game/video won't even load, and physical media presence requirements are all a big pain to deal with, and are all non-issues for pirates. With most games being downloaded nowadays the physical checks aren't much of a thing anymore, but back in the days of CD and DVD media for games, after installing a game I'd go right to gamecopyworld.com and get the cracked EXEs just so I wouldn't have to load the disc or deal with DRM checks every time I launch the game.

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u/aidanderson Aug 14 '22

The irony is when you add drm to your single player game the pirated version of the game is objectively better.

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u/guymon Aug 14 '22

Honestly whenever I saw these, the message that came across was: "This is a reminder that we, the publisher, can exercise our control over you and how you consume this media by making you watch this stupid unskippable ad."

Turns out you kinda don't, and you're just pushing people away from legitimacy by being a dick about it.

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u/Method__Man Aug 13 '22

You know how to stop/slow piracy?

Make your product accessible and fair price. Easy peasy lemon squeezy

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u/HanaBothWays Aug 13 '22

Absolutely. You know what got a lot of people to stop torrenting? Netflix was easier, and it was reasonably priced! But now that there are so many fragmented streaming services and it’s expensive to subscribe to them all, torrenting is making a comeback.

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u/qwerty11111122 Aug 13 '22

Literal prisoners dilemma. If one of us has a streaming service, piracy ends and profits increase for that streaming service. If we both make a streaming service, people will pirate as much as before.

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u/triclops6 Aug 14 '22

It's a bit more complicated: if Disney wanted to start their own streaming WITHOUT pulling their IP from other places, I could get MCU stuff on Netflix, but they don't do that.

Every streaming platform is becoming more exclusive in content, so you'd have to buy a bunch to get everything you want. As such they operate almost like a monopoly in their respective segments, charging what they want without fear of competition.

Disney could compete with Netflix which would be good for us, instead they do what's good for them and "differentiator" their product, leaving the consumer holding multiple bills , or accepting a fraction of the content.

THIS is why people say no thanks and torrent.

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u/atcTS Aug 14 '22

And they’re getting greedy. You’re telling me I have to pay a monthly fee AND STILL watch ads that are getting increasingly longer? Fuck tbat

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u/Sharpshooter98b Aug 14 '22

The music industry literally got this figured out idk why we don't just have the producers and distributors separated for shows and movies

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u/Zeakk1 Aug 13 '22

Disney be like "$24.99 for a copy of a movie that we produced 5 decades ago, please."

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u/penguinman1337 Aug 13 '22

Valve got this 100% right. All the convenience of piracy without all of the headaches or potential malware. Plus they understood that any scarcity for software was 100% invented so by offering huge deals/discounts it did literally nothing to hurt them. $5 is better than $0.

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u/whatproblems Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

yeah $5 for like years old games which would otherwise make 0 because nobody’s paying $50 for that. people are buying them just cuz it’s cheap or as part of a package

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u/Ahab_Ali Aug 13 '22

people are buying them

Valve got this 100% right.

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u/Method__Man Aug 13 '22

Bought steam deck. bought shit loads of games.

They win. I win

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u/8bit-meow Aug 13 '22

I was just looking at a post somewhere yesterday where a bunch of people agreed that pirating The Sims 4 was a morally right and good thing to do. EA wants to charge you around $1000 now for all the DLC. 🥴

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u/Method__Man Aug 13 '22

It gets to a point where you cant logically object. Like what is the real cost of them making those DLC?

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u/Technical_Income4722 Aug 14 '22

The main cost is in the development, but yeah the production itself doesn’t have a big cost (other than maintenance, etc.)

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u/bluecanarie Aug 13 '22

RIAA and MPAA member studio executives, probably:

But...but then we only can afford 4 new sportscars and 2 tropical vacations this year, instead of 5 new sportscars and 3 tropical vacations.

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u/Impressive_Soil8098 Aug 13 '22

i always laughed at the you wouldnt download a car ads

i hope i live long enough to be able to illegal download blue prints for a car and 3d print it then drive around with a pirated car.

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u/HanaBothWays Aug 13 '22

Oh man if you like that idea read Cory Doctorow’s Walkaway, which is about people jailbreaking 3-D printers to set up an alternative economy.

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u/thirtynation Aug 13 '22

This sounds awesome. Thanks for the rec!

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u/SwiftTayTay Aug 13 '22

Just for the record, the original didn't say "you wouldn't download a car," it said "you wouldn't steal a car" but then someone photoshopped it to "you wouldn't download a car" to illustrate the absurdity of the false equivalency and point out that everyone absolutely fucking would download a car if they could.

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u/Upframpt69 Aug 13 '22

“The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.” - Gabe Newell

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u/lycheedorito Aug 13 '22

An example of that is cloud saves, and even social things like achievements, even for a single player game. Easy to just open up Steam, install the game, play it, maybe you uninstall it and you come back to it a few months later and play again, devs have some updates, etc.

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u/Tamotefu Aug 13 '22

I can vouch for the Achievements stop piracy thing. I am an achievement wahore. I have plantinums on Sony, 100% badges on steam...

The day I can get cheevos from pirates games, good lord.

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u/Tamotefu Aug 13 '22

I'm already a proud member, but I'm talking about current gen games aquired on the seven seas. I mean hell, I have the 100% for all 3 Dark Souls on PC. I've thought about getting them on Playstation. Don't want to pay twice for lines of code I already own on a better place to run the code.

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u/very-polite-frog Aug 14 '22

Netflix actually did that, before the Great Shattering™ into a thousand "exclusive content!" services

Back to the ship we go

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u/KitchOMFG Aug 13 '22

Ive seen a UK one in tiktok where they try to make you feel bad about doing it, like saying they can't make music if we steal it. This was a female UK artist who brags about living a lavish expensive lifestyle 😂 clearly hasn't affected her.

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u/blaskkaffe Aug 13 '22

The cashgrab bullshit top 40 music could potentially stop (hopefully), but people will always make music, no matter if they earn money or not. It has always been that way.

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u/picardo85 Aug 13 '22

The artists that get paid over €100k for one set? Yeah they don't exactly suffer from people pirating their music. They may even benefit from it as it attracts people to their shows.

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u/Wayte13 Aug 13 '22

A big part of the problem is that, even as a child, I understood the false equivalency being made. All they did was draw attention to the exact reason stealing a real thing is bad but stealing a copy of a thing isn't.

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u/FiumeXII Aug 13 '22

It's not that it's a copy for me, it's convenience. Why the hell doesn't a single broadcasting network in my country air my TV show, not even Netflix or Disney+ etc. Am I just supposed to not watch it

It's not my fault that my country is going through an economic crisis, I'll pay when the USD isn't 20x my national currency.

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u/Eruannster Aug 13 '22

This was definitely a problem with shows that quickly gained popularity but were literally impossible to acquire by legal means in some countries.

HBO did this with Game of Thrones. Oh look, a cool show that people are talking about online! How do I watch it? Uhhh… well, no HBO service exists in your country so… yeah…

And then a couple of years later, Disney did the same thing with The Mandalorian. Wow, a Star Wars show that everyone loves? Let me subscribe to Disney+ to watch… that’s… not available. Oookay, then…

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u/Brentaxe Aug 13 '22

Only way to watch game of thrones when it was airing in Australia was to purchase Foxtel cable service at $60-100 a month (not sure of cost haven't checked in years). Owned by Rupert Fucking Murdoch no fucking chance. Of course I pirated it

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u/Minskiz Aug 14 '22

Not only that but if I remember right, it also came a week or so later?

Wasnt it common knowledge Aus was #1 in the world for piraring GoT like no tomorrow?

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u/bluecanarie Aug 13 '22

Exactly! When the person you're getting something from still retains their original copy, the moral argument of stealing loses a lot of ground. Even teenagers could see their true main complaint was that you were depriving a large studio out of a small amount of profits, none of which would make it to the artists creating the work anyway.

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u/nokinship Aug 13 '22

Most money is made in ticket sales and if there's merchandising attached. Pretty much no money made off physical media.

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u/random_european Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 13 '22

Maybe not today but back when the YoU wOUldN't sTeaL a CAr ads were a thing, physical media was a big deal financially.

Edit: came to think of this Matt Damon clip touching the subject:

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u/Weewoo312 Aug 14 '22

Wow Matt Damon really lost weight, I can barely see him!

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u/willflameboy Aug 14 '22

Stealing from Amazon is bad, but Amazon landfills millions of tonnes of perfectly good products each year. Our society is built on waste, manufactured scarcity and forced obsolescence. It's wrong to steal from your neighbour, but capitalists are exploiting you at every turn.

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u/MooseTed Aug 13 '22

The one adult DVD I bought had a 10 minute non skip able piracy video. Went all internet after that.

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u/N01773H Aug 13 '22 Silver

The least they could have done is make it a porn parody.

Girl in a corseted pirate outfit is downloading treasure off the internet when a well hung police officer busts into the room and states he is going to have to seize all of that booty as evidence.

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u/Shadowrend01 Aug 14 '22

I’d download that

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u/ChrisFhey Aug 14 '22

Have you considered a career as a director in the porn industry?

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u/GraniteMtn Aug 14 '22

It is beyond me why publishers punish their customers with non-skippable ads. Its almost as if they spent years researching "what can we do to piss off our customers the most?"

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u/JoanNoir Aug 13 '22

"You wouldn't download a car, would you?"

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u/nthpwr Aug 13 '22

tone deaf ass ad. This would have made me download a car just out of spite if it was indeed possible lol

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u/willy_teee Aug 13 '22

It had a catchy song though

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u/colbymg Aug 13 '22

Wasn’t the song pirated? Something about their contract with the musician said they could only use it for this one festival but they added it to their ads as well

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u/GetTold Aug 13 '22

Weighing tonedeafness:

On one hand, catchy song

On the other, they essentially stole the song

On the first hand again, they do make piracy look pretty cool

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u/PanDariusLovelost Aug 13 '22

You wouldn't 3D print a car, would you?

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u/epic_null Aug 13 '22

I mean... why not? Assuming I had a 3d printer capable of printing a car, and access to a model that i was comfortable trusting.

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u/PanDariusLovelost Aug 13 '22

You wouldn't 3D print a 3D printer, would you?

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u/rapidpimpsmack Aug 13 '22

Theyre already 3d printing houses, I'm g9nna 3d print a 3d printer factory

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u/darknekolux Aug 13 '22

« You wouldn’t steal a policeman hat… »

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u/Separate-Toe1067 Aug 13 '22

Then shoot him, then poo in the hat, deliver it to his grieving wife, then steal it again!

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u/TrinityF Aug 13 '22

Barbra Streisand.

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u/MinorSpaceNipples Aug 13 '22

Dururudu durudu durududu

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u/Informal-Lead-4324 Aug 13 '22

"OH SHIT, I could pirate this thanks for the reminder"

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u/DigNitty Aug 13 '22 edited Aug 14 '22

Like during prohibition when stores sold conservatives *concentrated grape juice with the message:

WARNING: Avoid adding water, heating, sealing, and storing in a cool place for 1.5 months. This will inadvertently make wine which is illegal in the US

edit: concentrated

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u/dmilin Aug 14 '22

conservatives

Reddit moment

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '22

And the war on terror created more terrorism...........wow, shocker.

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u/Fortnait739595958 Aug 13 '22

Netflix for this one show, Prime video for that other one, Disney+ for another, oh, missing that one that everybody talks about now? Get HBO for that one, you also want to check that other one? That one is on Apple+ ...

When it was just Netflix, there was like a non written ceasefiere with piracy, we would watch all our shit there and that was all, everyone could have negotiated with Netflix, share the cake and get their part and the peace would continue, but they wanted not just the whole cake, each one of them wanted a freaking bakery for themselves, well, fuck that, my hard drive is filling faster than ever and I wont go back to streaming unless they go back to having all the interesting stuff in one place(which doesnt seen likely)

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u/Phising-Email1246 Aug 13 '22

Years ago we had TV ads in Germany where they filmed stuff like a little girl outside of a prison singing birthday for her dad, because he was in prison for piracy. In another ad they made fun of prison rapes like "mhh the new guy is in for piracy".

That shit was absolutely nuts.

Edit: Here is an example https://youtu.be/VcXcClHA750

Also the direct translation for piracy in German would be "robbed copy" or something like that. Shows you how hard they framed it as literal robbery.

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u/bcd_is_me Aug 13 '22

That little girl should be careful with her public performances of birthday songs, could land her in prison for piracy if she doesn't have her licensing in order.

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u/Richard_Ragon Aug 13 '22

It was later discovered that that anti-pirate commercial was made using pirated tools like photoshop!! Seriously

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u/Nathanialjg Aug 13 '22

These ads underestimated my desire to download a pizza.

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u/MaxTennyson88 Aug 13 '22

If isn't in any in any streaming site, it deserves to be pirated.

If a movie is +30 years old, it deserves to be pirated.

If a company doesn't allow me to pay for their old games, they (the games) deserve to be pirated.

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u/RSP16 Aug 13 '22

Copyrights used to last nowhere near as long as they do now, something like 15 years or less IIRC. Thanks to the Mouse stretching it out, a large amount of media may never be legally accessible ever again. I'd even argue the super-long copyrights we currently have are stifling innovation and creativity, since newer works don't have to out-compete older editions/versions that aren't legally available anymore.

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u/Deastrumquodvicis Aug 13 '22

If a 20+ year old TV show has no release available, pirating is basically obligated. My dad, who frowns on pirating, told me to find a PBS math educational show from the 80s that he loved that isn’t sold. He told me to periodically check for an episode of NOVA that we have on home VHS that’s starting to wear out.

Because PBS has no way to legally watch them.

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u/ImaginaryLab6 Aug 13 '22

If I pay money for a streaming service that includes X movie, and then that movie is removed and the cost for that service doesn't change, that implies the movie has no monetary value. To me that means it deserves to be pirated.

If I pay for a specific company's streaming service, and a movie they own isn't on that service or any other, it deserves to be pirated.

Piracy is made irrelevant if these companies do right by their consumers.

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u/ButthurtBilly Aug 13 '22

If I pay for a streaming service that includes X movie, but for some reason that movie is in a region-locked content library that I can only watch from New Zealand, Belgium, or the Netherlands, I'm going to pirate your movie out of spite.

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u/cupofspiders Aug 14 '22

Region locks are the number one reason for piracy among people I know. Hey Company, we'd love to give you our money in exchange for your product, but you literally won't let us!

Sometimes I've even paid to legally stream a series, only to find out that my region's service arbitrarily won't let me use the English subtitles that other regions get to use. You know what a real easy way to get the language and subtitles you want is? Pirating.

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u/Deastrumquodvicis Aug 13 '22

I like that first paragraph.

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u/Krojack76 Aug 14 '22

Renting a movie via Google is like $20 now. I just can't justify that price for RENTING a movie for just myself. Yes I live alone.

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u/Comprehensive-Fig416 Aug 13 '22

As soon as I can't locate something on 6 different steaming services, I steal it

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u/McXhicken Aug 13 '22

Just a friendly reminder to check up on how your emule are doing......

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u/ptvlm Aug 13 '22

Well, yeah... If you're having to sit through an unskippable lecture every time you play a legal dvd and you can pirate a copy that doesn't, the latter is more valuable for regular use. If you're being called a pirate while being given an inferior product when you don't pirate, might as well hoist the jolly Roger.

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u/zippy9002 Aug 13 '22

Copy is not theft how ever hard they wish it was.

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u/Spc-Mkr Aug 13 '22

“Oh yeah, I forgot I could be pirating right now!”

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u/kris_deep Aug 13 '22

You wouldn't steal a handbag. You wouldn't steal a car. You wouldn't steal a baby. You wouldn't shoot a policeman. And then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet. And then send it to the policeman's grieving widow. And then steal it again! Downloading films is stealing. If you do it, you will face the consequences.

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u/Some-Investment-5160 Aug 14 '22

The laugh line then was answering the PSA’s question “you wouldn’t steal a car, would you?”, by yelling out “I would if I could download it” in the theater.