r/technology Sep 09 '22 Helpful 1

Beijing has stolen sensitive data sufficient to build a dossier on every American adult Security

https://thehill.com/opinion/cybersecurity/567318-as-biden-stands-by-chinese-hackers-build-dossiers-on-us-citizens/
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u/SuperFrog4 Sep 10 '22

My Chinese spy is very disappointed in me and is probably questioning some of my life choices.

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u/DevoidHT Sep 10 '22

Mine is arguing with my FBI agent over who gets to watch me eat a gallon of ice cream

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u/thewizardtim Sep 10 '22

Where the fuck did you get a gallon of ice cream? I can only find it in 3.5 quarts containers. Last time I saw a gallon of ice cream was like 10 years ago.

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u/CaptainBlandname Sep 10 '22

The secret is adding them together

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u/ajprokos Sep 10 '22

When the fuck did we get ice cream?

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u/RedditUserSteven Sep 10 '22 Take My Energy

Under rated comment. If I had an award I’d give it to you.

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u/ajprokos Sep 10 '22

“We don’t need no stinking badges” -Blazing Saddles

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u/bigmac22077 Sep 10 '22

They are everywhere still… go to Walmart and walk to the cheapest ice cream. Will probably be in a plastic bucket

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u/illpilgrims Sep 10 '22

I feel like if the tables were turned we'd be equally bored. What a shit job

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u/baronvoncommentz Sep 10 '22

It's funny, like most of the comments here, but it misses the point. It isn't about you or me. It's about having a little black book of every American who would give in to blackmail and send China sensitive information.

That is a massive security risk for this country and potentially countries we ally with.

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u/Danomit3 Sep 10 '22

A simple solution is getting rid of TikTok.

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u/vivamii Sep 10 '22

So you’re telling me I’m safe since I’ve never touched tik tok right?

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u/Key-Replacement-2483 Sep 10 '22

At least your data is in the hands of US and Russia only

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u/Danomit3 Sep 10 '22

As long as you never download it. I don’t know about watching a vid on their website without signing in but please don’t download it. I call it a Chinese wiretap

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u/uncletravellingmatt Sep 10 '22

That wouldn't solve any of the hacking issues the article is talking about. If hackers get your credit rating, penetrate the cell phone network you're using, etc. they aren't waiting for you to download a foreign-made app.

(Then again, the article only had a quote from President Trump’s last deputy national security adviser as evidence for the headline claim about "data sufficient to build a dossier on every American adult" so I take that specific estimate with a grain of salt.)

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u/CinSugarBearShakers Sep 10 '22

Mine is wondering why I left China and deleted wechat.

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u/Pushbrown Sep 10 '22

same, at this point i don't really give a fuck anymore, I'm all for privacy and what not, but in this day and age it is almost impossible to maintain, especially with these geriatric fucks in office

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u/Arcosim Sep 10 '22

It's 100% an AI the one doing the sorting, interlinking and cataloging. Thankfully AIs aren't judgemental (for now)

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u/DuncanIdahoPotatos Sep 10 '22

I always assumed it would be humanity’s endless violence that sets off the AI war. Nope, just our excessive masturbation.

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u/Par_105 Sep 10 '22

Some poor Chinese intelligence agent just watching a bunch of people masturbate

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u/salton Sep 10 '22

My operative must be profoundly depressed after studying me.

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u/tommos Sep 10 '22

The Chinese and CIA operatives probably have a joint support group.

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u/gregzillaman Sep 10 '22

One step closer to Wedon's Alliance.

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u/ContextSwitchKiller Sep 10 '22

This relatively recent conviction seems to support that:

Dr. Charles Lieber, 62, served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, which received more than $15 million in federal research grants between 2008 and 2019. Unbeknownst to his employer, Harvard University, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at WUT and, later, a contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from at least 2012 through 2015. China’s Thousand Talents Plan is one of the most prominent talent recruitment plans designed to attract, recruit and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security.

Source: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-convicted-making-false-statements-and-tax-offenses

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u/SnooWoofers5550 Sep 10 '22

I can eat my dinner at a fancy restaurant, but nothing, I said nothing can take away these blues.

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u/Upper_belt_smash Sep 10 '22

Chris Cornell’s version is the best

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u/uSeeSizeThatChicken Sep 10 '22

Yes. Prince wrote it. Sinead O'Connor made it popular. Chris Cornell made it legendary.

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u/AvailableName9999 Sep 10 '22

Princes recording is the best one. If you haven't heard it, go look for it. It rips

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u/ForePony Sep 10 '22

I hope my agent has come to appreciate scales.

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u/KarmicVoid Sep 10 '22

I hope he likes Daisy Taylor and the 1991 vintage porno Taboo.

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u/KentuckyFriedEel Sep 10 '22

I hope they like going through all of my comments on movies, games and CDs.

Dossier conclusion: he likes Marvel movies and has gamer fatigue.

Threat level: pangolin

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u/wamih Sep 10 '22

I mean some guy fucked a pangolin and created COVID-19… at least the documentary “South Park” explained it that way…

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u/TheRealAndrewLeft Sep 10 '22

What if that's their kink 🤨 win win

Edit: their = agent.

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u/Par_105 Sep 10 '22

I should be getting paid if they’re enjoying it.

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u/Solid_Snark Sep 10 '22

Then replace ”some poor agent” with ”some lucky agent”

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u/VelvetHorse Sep 10 '22

I'm giving them a show tonight!

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u/TheFartExperience Sep 10 '22

Well now that I know they’re into watching I’m gonna finish in half-time so now it’s lose-lose

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u/PestyNomad Sep 10 '22

Seriously what a waste of time, energy, the other energy, and effort. Are they going to target and brigade single individuals for their nefarious political ends?

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u/similar_observation Sep 10 '22

Yep. Just gotta find the right lynchpin. You're some normy 9-5er, probably not. Congrats. Your vanilla porn habit is not interesting. You're not interesting.

You're a middle manager at an aerospace contractor that just landed a job for new parts for some new fangled space goober. And you just happen to have a habit of visiting your spank bank or closeted oddly-specific fetishist roleplay group just before bed. Jackpot! Just enough kinky to be too embarrassing for your family to know. Just enough rank to snap a photo of the goober's prints.

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u/Plunder_Bunny_ Sep 10 '22

What if they and their family don't care. It doesn't mean shit then.

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u/naturalchorus Sep 10 '22

Then there's almost 400 million others to try

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u/jamerson537 Sep 10 '22

They could just move on to the next person who will probably care what people think about them like the overwhelming majority of human beings.

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u/jamerson537 Sep 10 '22

Yeah, why would they ever want to potentially have dirt on every single individual who will have power, money, and influence in the present and future of the United States? What possible use could that be put to?

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u/Additional_Avocado77 Sep 10 '22

May be easier to get a dossier on a future president now, rather than in 20 years time when they've cleaned up their act and wiped as much stuff from the internet and everywhere else they can think of. Its impossible to know now who you might want a dossier on in 20 years time, so the only solution is to get one on literally everyone.

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u/tmotytmoty Sep 10 '22

Well I'm glad someone is watching.

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u/EFTucker Sep 10 '22

Joke's on them, I'm into that shit.

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u/breigns2 Sep 10 '22

You crazy son of a bitch! You’ve figured it out! That’s how we win!

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u/ShatterSucks Sep 10 '22

Maybe I should get a job as a Chinese agent…

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Sep 10 '22

They could also just hire some consultant group with access to all this data and they'd be happy to tell them who the weakminded people they could influence are and how to manipulate them.

That's pretty much what Cambridge Analytica was about, and, I'm sure there are more people out there who love money and care about nothing.

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u/freyaandmurphie Sep 09 '22

Thank you tiktok

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u/JunkiesAndWhores Sep 10 '22

Meta and Equifax enter the chat.

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u/No_Consequence_3091 Sep 10 '22

US government records are not the most secure. I’m sure Uncle Sam provided lots of data, probably unknowingly.

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u/Worshaw Sep 10 '22

Yeah I know they stole mine. From the government none the less. Nothing like getting a letter from the OPM saying that a foreign government stole your date including your finger prints from a job application. But don’t worry finger prints for daily security issues is years away. That was about 5 years ago. They gave me 5 years of credit monitoring. Not really worried about that guys. More worried about what they are going to do with my finger prints.

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u/gothrus Sep 10 '22

You and 20+ million other gov employees, contractors, and applicants who had background checks and security clearances. CIA, FBI, NSA and more. Whoever thought that data should sit on the Internet should be tried for treason.

https://www.opm.gov/cybersecurity/cybersecurity-incidents/

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u/giggitygoo123 Sep 10 '22

It's crazy how insecure the most important information of each person is treated in this country. Think about how insecure a social security number is and how one person can completely destroy your life with that info and some basic info they can find on social media.

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u/dotnetdotcom Sep 10 '22

In general, government is pretty incompetent. They dont seem to know what they are doing, but they think they have all the answers.

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u/SuddenClearing Sep 10 '22

Because positions of power are for the willing and the able, and the willing will do some shady shit to get things they maybe don’t deserve.

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u/Oblivious122 Sep 10 '22

So my fingerprints were also stolen in the OPM hack. The funny thing is, my fingerprints are now 100% useless. Why? I had a traumatic industrial accident that radically changed my fingers. (Some missing, some on different fingers, all have significant scars). So literally the fingerprints are useless to them.

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u/ThePantser Sep 10 '22

Hackers hate this one trick

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u/Oblivious122 Sep 10 '22

I mean they still got my dl#, ssn, dob, and all other personal information, so yeah still screwed

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u/notbad2u Sep 10 '22

They stole your date? Suave bastids

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u/thatblbc Sep 10 '22

They’re going to frame you

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u/aquarain Sep 10 '22

They got the voter records from the campaigns (required disclosure, includes polling data) and hacking (more details), indexed to the credit reports from Experian and Equifax breaches. Cross index with Facebook and twitter, the geneology from DNA services, the personality surveys and quizzes. Mix in about 7 TB of mixed records from the 7 seas and you got your basic profile. They know more about you than you do.

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u/pmjm Sep 10 '22

Yeah I hear they keep them in insecure golf resorts.

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u/phdoofus Sep 10 '22

Who keeps having data breaches again?

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u/Hourglass420 Sep 10 '22

Isn't Reddit partially owned by tencent?

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u/Sirkaill Sep 10 '22

tencent has their hands in alot of things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent#Products_and_services oddly reddit is not listed on the wiki for some reason.

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u/zaraimpelz Sep 10 '22

Roughly 8% of it, by Tencent specifically, but I’m sure that’s not the only Chinese investor

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u/Hourglass420 Sep 10 '22

I wonder if that gives them access to client data as well.

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u/pseudo_nimme Sep 10 '22

It does not. But it could mean that leadership is less likely to focus on threats from a large investor.

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u/kyel566 Sep 10 '22

Reason I’ve never once used tik tok

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u/stevejobs4525 Sep 10 '22

Reason I never use reddit

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u/DeuceSevin Sep 10 '22

You, uh, you… never mind.

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u/KwanHa Sep 10 '22

Yes, this one app was standing between china and your data

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u/iflysubmarines Sep 10 '22

It's not the data necessarily it's the ability to manipulate algorithms and therefore make things trend that they want to trend.

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u/L3yline Sep 10 '22

It literally IS the data though. US government has a standing order that any military or civvies on payroll aren't allowed tiktok on their devices

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u/beihei87 Sep 10 '22

On government devices. As a civilian employee I can have any app I want on my personal device.

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u/iflysubmarines Sep 10 '22

Aren't allowed on actual government devices. So I can't download it on my work phone because that normally has access to work specific things it may be able to get into but as a military member I could if I wanted to for some reason have it on my phone.

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u/zaraimpelz Sep 10 '22

Tencent also has a large stake in Discord and reddit

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u/RatherB_fishing Sep 10 '22

My wife is on that crack app. It is a black hole for her information. Pictures, texts, email, mic, camera, the whole nine… yea I know it sounds like some tin foil hat crap but look at the license agreement. If you aren’t paying for it… then you are the product.

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u/RevolutionaryGlass0 Sep 10 '22

The fact that she has a phone means her information is already being nicked, unless you've put something like GrapheneOS on it.

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u/anders9000 Sep 10 '22

It’s a mistake to single out tiktok because it downplays the massive amount of data generated by almost every app you use, and how horribly insecure it is.

There are companies whose entire business model is matching people to ad ids generated by apps like starbucks that serve location-based ads and selling it to law enforcement.

Tiktok is a privacy nightmare but so is every app that has the Meta SDK in it (pretty much all of them).

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u/RevolutionaryGlass0 Sep 10 '22

Exactly! Even at the OS and hardware level you aren't safe, Mac, iOS, Windows, most versions of Android, all steal your data, and for the past decade Intel and AMD chips have had PSP / ME baked into them, so you're not private even on Linux unless you use old chips or flash your own BIOS.

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u/Prophayne_ Sep 10 '22

I'll save them the effort: I sit in my office and game all day

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u/Someones_Dream_Guy Sep 10 '22

I want your job.

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u/Prophayne_ Sep 10 '22

It's super easy, join the military at 17 as a split second decision to avoid homelessness, be airborne for 11 years, win a brand new hip on the governments dime and enjoy your forced retirement.

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u/Tiiiimmmooo Sep 10 '22

Damn, nailed it.

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u/andoring Sep 10 '22

Good. They'll know I'm not a good candidate for organ harvesting.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Sep 10 '22

I recommend we all exaggerate our alcohol and plastic consumption.

In my case, no need for that.

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u/S118gryghost Sep 10 '22

Try as I might I'm sure I'm filled with plastic and pfas just by being an essential worker.

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u/Enjoying_A_Meal Sep 10 '22

Me, a midget porn enthusiast.

China with my data: Increase production of midget sized dildos, increase targeted marketing to this guy specifically.

US with my data: Pass a law banning midget porn. Arrest my ass since I didn't keep up with the current midget porn regulations and kept being a degenerate.

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u/hzj5790 Sep 09 '22

It is estimated that 80 percent of American adults have had all of their personal data stolen by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party), and the other 20 percent most of their personal data,” William Evanina told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on Aug. 4 in his opening statement.

Just... wow.

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u/fitzroy95 Sep 09 '22

Doubt if it was stolen, probably just brought it from Amazon, Google, and all the other corporations who have been collecting it illegally for years

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u/Doonedin Sep 10 '22

It’s really funny the amount of shit the US and the west has just straight up given China over the last 50 years just to save a couple bucks. Our entire manufacturing base, our data, etc. all because we’d rather not pay Americans a living wage to do that work.

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u/poppa_koils Sep 10 '22

And Canada as well. I watched manufacturing in Canada nosedive when NAFTA first came into play. It only got worse when China got into the game.

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u/TakeCareOfYourM0ther Sep 10 '22

Capitalism is a disease.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BEAMSHOTS Sep 10 '22

The quest for infinite growth wealth is a disease.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BEAMSHOTS Sep 10 '22 edited Sep 10 '22

It's nightmare fuel to our dear leaders (aka corporations) to have Americans making things for ourselves at a higher cost and also having a paying wage to afford those things in the first place. They want to hoard as much money as possible. A higher score every quarter is the goal. Infinite growth. Propaganda works stupendously to control the population to not want a better living for themselves.

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u/CaptainObvious Sep 10 '22

You know, it was never announced who hacked Equifax...

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u/CorndogFiddlesticks Sep 10 '22

The Chinese hacked OPM and got the personal information of everyone who's applied for AND received a security clearance....and the government offered credit monitoring to the people impacted!!!!! What a joke.

The Chinese now know who potential spies are, and they're going to try to do identity theft on these people? What a joke.

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u/OnceNamed Sep 10 '22

Yes it was, and we know it was a Chinese company.

Unfortunately, Chinese law stipulates that Chinese companies must give all personal data they collect to the Chinese government.

In short, yes, the CCP has all of that information.

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u/shawndw Sep 10 '22

So the CCP knows that I have a credit card that I pay off every month and a line of credit that I've never used.

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u/OnceNamed Sep 10 '22

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Employment history

Residential history

Family history

Known contacts and associates

Specifically which items and categories you spend money on

The specific items, times, and locations that money was spent on

Internet search history

Internet comment history

Internet navigation history

If you have TikTok installed:

All of the keystrokes you've ever input on your phone, including text messages and private secure information for the duration of TikTok's installation on your phone.

Any information that saved passwords your phone is capable of accessing (do you use your phone to autofill passwords, or use finger/face recognition to access apps/websites/servers?)

Etc.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Sep 10 '22

If you were selling the data wholesale, and also, didn't want your honey-pot discovered, it wouldn't be a bad idea to say the hackers did more damage than was true. Maybe even keep letting them get access to a few servers with a bit of real data to keep them from realizing that Equifax is tracking them -- AND, they have plausible deniability when all their data is used to abuse their clients.

They'll probably try and sell rankings for workers like they do credit scores any day now.

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u/bunkoRtist Sep 10 '22

This is tosh. Tech companies, Google in particular, would never let your personal data leak. It's far more valuable to them when only they have it. Not only would letting it go obliterate trust in the company overnight, but they then couldn't milk it for unparalleled pricing power in targeted ads. C'mon man... Corporations can be both 'evil' and have their interests aligned with yours.

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u/bustedbuddha Sep 10 '22

Illegally?

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u/SilentKiller96 Sep 10 '22

“All of their personal data”? ALL? I don’t think that’s possible.

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u/CumOnMyNazistache Sep 10 '22

I’m not even sure i have all my personal data.

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u/cjmeme69 Sep 10 '22 edited Sep 10 '22

No real evidence or source, just someone spouting propaganda. But it’s not like most of our data isn’t widely available and or being harvested.

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u/PestyNomad Sep 10 '22

all of their personal data

lmao what does "all of their personal data" mean exactly? hahah such a silly thing to say.

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u/jabbadarth Sep 10 '22

14% of Americans don't even own smart phones. I'm guessing these numbers are a bit exaggerated.

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u/mathvenus Sep 10 '22

Anyone that has a credit record is affected according to reports of the equifax breach.

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u/crankyrhino Sep 10 '22

After the OPM and Equifax hacks having a smartphone is unnecessary.

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u/artemisarrow17 Sep 10 '22

Fixed your headline: American institutions compiled data on their citizens let their the data on insecure systems.

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u/zeptillian Sep 10 '22

It's also complete horse shit to say that all your data was stolen. What does that even mean? The have all the files on my computer and phone? Seriously they don't have a 10TB hard drive dedicated to keeping a copy of all your data.

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u/FirmLaw7 Sep 10 '22

If everyone can be blackmailed then nobody can be blackmailed.

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u/BloodlustyGummybear Sep 10 '22 edited Sep 10 '22 Ally

Manipulation is the name of the game.

They know how to tear the population apart and weaken the US. They'll use social media to sow dissent and disinformation. They'll play both sides of the arguments through troll farms. They'll use the stolen info to make you hate your countrymen and want to overthrow your own government by force.

You can't fight them if you can't band together. And you can't twart their tactics if you don't even know what they are.

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u/Potential_Audience27 Sep 10 '22

This is how it works...

They don't need to target individuals...

We already have AI advanced enough with deep language learning to mimic human responses. Attach "personalities" or tonality to those language AI and you can 100% mimic a human saying anything online. They will fool everyone. For all you know, I could be one of them. They're that convincing. Look into it man. Google's recent deep language AI is absolutely bonkers.

Put 100,000 of them on reddit, or facebook, or anywhere else you know that people can be easily manipulated and you sway public opinion. And that's a lot more important than blackmailing one or another person.

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u/pseudo_nimme Sep 10 '22

I wish that were true. If everyone’s dirt is public nobody can be blackmailed. But we’re very eager to ruin each other’s lives independent of our own mess. In fact that may be more pronounced because of people projecting due to their own sense of guilt.

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u/ShitwareEngineer Sep 10 '22

But this isn't everyone in the world.

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u/Alex_NDA09 Sep 10 '22

They have data about all of us

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u/UrHellaLateB Sep 10 '22

At first it's worrisome but when I look at what gets advertised to me on the daily, I remember that the data they collect is probably mostly BS.

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u/oranthor1 Sep 10 '22

It should still be worrisome. Not because they have your info but because they have everyone's info.

They know who they can manipulate

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u/Ischmetch Sep 10 '22

That will make a lot of hosts.

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u/Whyrockstarwhy Sep 10 '22

So they know I like anal porn?! What do I tell my wife?!

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u/pastari Sep 10 '22

What do I tell my wife?!

You: What.
Her: What?
You: In the butt.

gottem

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u/white__cyclosa Sep 10 '22

Tell her you like anal porn, duh.

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u/Valdie29 Sep 10 '22

Oh honey you should’ve told me… puts strapon

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u/jimmmydickgun Sep 10 '22 Silver

Dossier this dick Pooh bear cock mongrel

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u/AlwaysOnMyNuts Sep 10 '22

That’s what I’m sayin’ — dossier my asshole with yo tongue fat poo bear.

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u/chrisbcritter Sep 10 '22

Yes, and so has Facebook, and Apple, and Google, and your phone carrier, and ...

We are OK with nationless corporations keeping tabs on us like this. Not sure why it is a big deal when a country does it. If China just bought all of this data from those companies, would it be "OK"?

Don't get me wrong. I hate the Chinese government. I just don't know why THIS is the wakeup call for us.

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u/jazzykiwi Sep 10 '22

Yeah so has every tech company. What else is new.

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u/kl0 Sep 10 '22

It’s pretty funny, no? …at least in that terrible sort of way.

People seem to think TikTok is some uniquely horrible offender. Like they have some magical ability to hack your iPhone or your Android. They don’t.

It harvests the exact same data that MS, Google, Facebook, Apple, etc., have been harvesting for almost 2 decades. The only difference is that it’s a Chinese company instead of American ones.

It’s a very serious issue, but not for the reasons people typically seem to think.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Sep 10 '22

They could just buy it from some company.

Google. Equifax. Facebook. Cross-reference that with data collected by "free" apps and spyware and TickTock and a thousand other sources.

I'm sure there is a laundering service if there is some security or privacy consideration. "Oops -- we will take care of this leak from our subsidiary. It was all this one disgruntled employee!"

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u/SeductiveSoup Sep 10 '22

I was about to say exactly this, but replace 'tech companies' with 'the US Government'.

I will absolutely never understand how people in 2022 can still not grasp the concept of the internet.

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u/Jaceman2002 Sep 10 '22

That’s what happens when the people who make the laws are old enough to have still received telegrams.

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u/SeductiveSoup Sep 10 '22

Learning is silly when you have ✨money✨

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u/Belligerent-J Sep 10 '22

I'm honestly less worried about China having my data than the NSA and hundreds of data harvesting companies who sell it to the highest bidder. China is far away from me.

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u/Fit-Satisfaction7831 Sep 09 '22

This is just referring to data stolen through hacking, meanwhile the Play Store and App Store sells access to users for a very modest fee then studiously looks the other way while developers bundle location tracking, photos and contacts access etc with their recipe app or child's game.

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u/ericccdl Sep 10 '22

Replace “Beijing” with the name of any tech company in the world and the title would still be accurate.

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u/NanditoPapa Sep 10 '22

I mean...a dossier is just a collection of documents, meaning 2 or more. What sensitive data could they possibly have on EVERY American adult and where are they keeping it? And who is going to read it? Does every govt do the same? I'm glad The Hill has this in their "Opinion" section, as it mostly contains gossip and guessing. I think we should be MUCH more concerned over how we have handed China our food security and manufacturing. If we go to war with China, they would starve us out and our military would quickly run out of replacement parts for their electronics. Now THAT's a scary thought...but sure, Beijing has my email address from 2006...

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u/RevolutionaryGlass0 Sep 10 '22

They would just buy it from Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Apple, all the tech companies, the US has PRISM and MUSCULAR so it's not a stretch to say China has something similar. Windows takes screenshots on default settings and sends them to Microsoft, and even with everything off it still has keylogging.

Intel and AMD have spyware built into the chips and motherboards, look up PSP and ME.

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u/garcia_later Sep 10 '22

I told you guys not to put your phone in rice!

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u/zanacks Sep 10 '22

No mention of how much google, apple, yahoo, BofA, Chase, Visa, Mastercard, etc know about you. Of course those are American companies, so it’s ok.

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u/perkail Sep 10 '22

For everyone claiming this is for coercion or blackmail. You clearly don’t have a clue how data is used to subjugate humans on planet earth in 2022.

With this dossier they now have a blueprint to who they can manipulate via social media in order to swing elections in their favor, people they can turn and make sympathetic…

I’ve been saying this for years. Ban TikTok. Pass privacy protections and sue businesses that violate those protection into oblivion.

Our privacy is not for sale and feeding data into the CCP ML algorithms is a fucking terrible way for democracy to die

But hey, you got some fake internet points for during a stupid fucking dance

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u/bustedbuddha Sep 10 '22

Over in r/Singularity I have a red tag saying 2014, and it's for this very reason, basic machine learning created systems for human control almost a decade ago, and human politics has been destabilized ever since.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Sep 10 '22

I agree with you. I don't think it's a coincidence that so many conspiracy minded people ended up thinking the same things.

I think to some extent, the liberal as well as the alt-right are getting pretty homogenized positions.

It's long past due that we have a real Constitutional privacy amendment -- AND, that you cannot sell the right to some aspects of your privacy even if you wanted to.

There is so much that can be used to coerce, extort or distract people -- and they wouldn't even be aware of it. Just imagine when the first decent AI are developed -- we could have one assigned to the data pool of each person, modeling how they might be manipulated or how they might act in different scenarios. Prediction and control will be abused -- and too much harmony with manufactured consent is a scary thing.

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u/InspectorG-007 Sep 10 '22

Totally Beijing. Not a US alphabet soup aganecy.

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u/GlassWasteland Sep 10 '22

Six times, I've had my personal information leaked by various companies six times. I aint got no secrets from anybody cause capitalism.

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u/Itsawlinthereflexes Sep 10 '22

Guess I’m gonna have to change shit up and go a little rogue.

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u/rancidperiodblood Sep 10 '22

Word, so they know about deez nuts then

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u/whazmynameagin Sep 10 '22

There is a secret that the American government created all those fake Tiktokers to fool the Chinese government into thinking we are all morons and have shallow, meaningless lives.

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u/osredkar Sep 10 '22

So some poor chinese person knows my porn preferences and what I look like when I cum…Just the thought of my oface makes me depressed, that poor sole must be ready to jump of a fucking building.

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u/GoryRamsy Sep 10 '22

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-bevanina-080421.pdf

According to a speaker before the house select committee on intelligence, china most likely has enough data on every American citizen just by buying commercially available user data.

r/savedyouaclick

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u/InconsistentEffort20 Sep 10 '22

Can we please learn from this for once?

Can we stop putting internet connected cameras on our front doors and "voice activated" speakers all over our house.

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u/TheGreyPotter Sep 10 '22

The article is all “do something mister biden why havnt you done something??” But like, the fuck is he supposed to do? What’s a reasonable response to this? Sanction? No, theyre too big a trade partner. War? Fuck no. Counterhack? Even if they did, fuck if we’ll hear about it.

Only option is to draw some angee eyebrows on Biden and say “stoooop.”

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u/medievalmachine Sep 10 '22

It's called Facebook. That's all it is. This isn't rocket science.

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u/Ihavepurpleshoes Sep 10 '22

That the data exists to be stolen is also disturbing.

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u/No-Lingonberry4556 Sep 10 '22

The Hill is complete shit and will post anything for clicks

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u/Engelshatz Sep 10 '22

Hey China,

I am into some weird shit. You could've just asked.

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u/spoollyger Sep 10 '22

Only my evil companies are allowed to steal your data, not theirs!

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u/Proof_Eggplant_6213 Sep 10 '22

Lol I would love to know what they think they’re going to do with it. Blackmail me? I’m a fucking waitress in Nebraska dawg, there ain’t shit you could do to me to make my life any fucking worse and I know and have nothing of any value whatsoever. You’re welcome to my rock collection and my $65k in student loans. Have at it!

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u/Galemianah Sep 10 '22

Good thing all my data is falsified

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u/bustedbuddha Sep 10 '22

Stolen, or did they just buy it from our date firms?

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u/Tasty_Flame_Alchemy Sep 10 '22

Stolen or purchased?

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u/DorianGray77 Sep 10 '22

So has our government but they were stupid enough to pay!

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Get it from King Mango the Orange?

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Still less than the US already has....

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u/HenryGetter2345 Sep 10 '22

Gasp. If only there would have been someone telling us and warning us this was happening.

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u/mettarific Sep 10 '22

Pity the guy who has to read my dossier.

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u/Lost_Bathroom_7203 Sep 10 '22

And Apple and Google still have TikTok in AppStores.

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u/Guwop25 Sep 10 '22

Knowing how corrupt big companies are it wouldn't surprise me if they just straight up sold that data and pass it as a 'data breach' it might sound crazy conspiracy for some people but that's just how blinded by money they are

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u/TelasRayo Sep 10 '22

But was it really stolen, or freely given? IMO it's the latter.

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u/onehundredcups Sep 10 '22

So much pornography history to go through… good luck comrades.

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u/DreamOfTheEndlessSky Sep 10 '22

"As Biden stands by" in headline, then proceeds to cite example attacks from 2014-2017. The headline is misleading, suggesting that this is some new thing.

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u/aymanzone Sep 10 '22

Have you heard of AIPAC. Mossad, CIA, Epstein? oO

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u/mvw2 Sep 10 '22

Uh, it's the internet. Nothing that's ever been put on here for the last 3 decades have been safe. I assume, neigh EXPECT, that every single piece of data I add to the internet is entirely available to anyone on the planet. This includes personal information, banking information, messages, passwords, everything.

If you think anything you ever share in this space is safe, you're delusional.

Frankly, this is just something you accept and should have accepted for more than 30 years.

It's just a little worse now because companies built themselves around data mining and selling, so now it's just easier and convenient. Businesses took out the hard part.

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u/Pontus_Pilates Sep 10 '22

I wonder how many different dossiers Washington has on me, considering the amount of data American companies hoard.

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u/IActuallyLikeSpiders Sep 10 '22

He might be right about the amount of data, but also appears to have some challenges with interpreting reality, and an axe to grind.

"Gordon Chang praises US for acting 'very, very quickly' against coronavirus spread"

https://www.foxnews.com/media/china-expert-gordon-chang-coronavirus-us-action

"The Coming Collapse of China: 2012 Edition

I admit it: My prediction that the Communist Party would fall by 2011 was wrong. Still, I'm only off by a year."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/12/29/the-coming-collapse-of-china-2012-edition/

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u/m1ndbl0wn Sep 10 '22

does anyone think murican intel is too ignorant to build a dossier of any chinese citizen?

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u/dotnetdotcom Sep 10 '22

They could have just bought that data. That's what US law enforcement is doing.

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u/Ok-Ear-1914 Sep 10 '22

I go to work I pay bills I am a boring gay guy... Done now the world knows my secret... Humans need to practice love.... Division is boring...

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u/RMRdesign Sep 10 '22

I'm pretty sure Google and Facebook can build or have built a better one.

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u/xiphoidthorax Sep 10 '22

“ Let’s check this guy’s file”! “ watches porn, next guy’s file, watches porn, next file! Hmm? Watches porn”. “ Hey Ping! These guys all watch porn”!

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u/BuckyDuster Sep 10 '22

Who ever is in charge of reading mine will die of boredom

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u/OracleCam Sep 10 '22

How dare the Chinese take what the US has rightfully stolen

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u/artemisarrow17 Sep 10 '22

I am not sure if you aware that the main problem was that this data was there in the first place.

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u/Rich_Health_1108 Sep 10 '22

You can just buy this information from data brokers and advertisers.

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u/RevolutionaryGlass0 Sep 10 '22

The US does this too, we should be making all software private, whether it glows red or green.

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u/jnakhoul Sep 10 '22

So has America

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u/Wrong-Cat-4294 Sep 10 '22

They didn’t steal it we gave it to them just like we give it to Facebook and Reddit

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u/StudentSuspicious240 Sep 10 '22

The US beat them to it, they ain’t special! 👹

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u/ImmaBlackgul Sep 10 '22

Let me guess…the TikTok data breach!! We’re really really dumb

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u/Mal-De-Terre Sep 10 '22

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that they have a coordinated data collection effort.

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u/Icy-Leg6735 Sep 10 '22

Imagine the chaos it would create if they made some sort of searchable website on everyone right as a war breaks out…