r/technology Sep 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 2

Mozilla reaffirms that Firefox will continue to support current content blockers Privacy

https://www.ghacks.net/2022/09/24/mozilla-reaffirms-that-firefox-will-continue-to-support-current-content-blockers/
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u/audiofx330 Sep 24 '22

And I will be sticking with FireFox.

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u/DeepSlicedBacon Sep 25 '22

I Never left FF.

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u/ShaunDark Sep 25 '22

I left it for Opera in '09. But once they went to chromium I came back.

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u/huurb69 Sep 25 '22

Firefox my beloved

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u/congmingdexigua Sep 25 '22

Mozilla, you have my axe!

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u/ItsAMeRedLuigi Sep 25 '22

And my sword.

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u/Bigred2989- Sep 25 '22

And you have my bow.

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u/VonSpyder Sep 25 '22

And my banana.

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u/Catsrules Sep 25 '22

And my mouse

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u/RBVegabond Sep 25 '22

And my cookies, deleting…

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u/draedek Sep 25 '22

And my boob mouse pad (of course it is for wrist support and nothing else)

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u/jericho-sfu Sep 25 '22

Monthly Google® Cookie Deleter™ payment unpaid, doubling trackers...

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u/SirrNicolas Sep 25 '22

This gives me anxiety hate just seeing it. Well done

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u/ARandomBob Sep 25 '22

Yep. On Firefox now and don't plan on leaving. Chrome has become way to dominate and there attitude towards users shows it.

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u/Spoon_Elemental Sep 25 '22

I used Firefox before Chrome dominated and never switched. I can count the number of times I've used Chrome on one hand, and it was only because some content wouldn't load on my older shittier computer.

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u/BronzeHeart92 Sep 25 '22

Firefox ftw!

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u/gakule Sep 25 '22

Switched to FireFox fully finally when the news about ad blockers came out. Used Chrome ever since it came out and don't miss it at all tbh.

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u/TheDunadan29 Sep 25 '22

I’ve used Chrome since the beginning. Or very close to. And I tried Firefox once a long time ago and it felt rather slow. But sometime around 2014-2015 I made the switch and it was much better than I remembered. Then a few years ago they did a rehaul and made it really snappy. There’s virtually no difference for the end user. Except Firefox is better for privacy and for open source. Oh, and not letting Google hold a virtual monopoly on the web is also now a motivating factor, since every other major browser is based on Chrome now.

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u/MikeKM Sep 25 '22

Same, Chrome had me for a long time but got too greedy.

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u/dreamsofaninsomniac Sep 25 '22

I know there was some big security issue with Chrome on Android where a lot of tech websites were recommending people to stop using it completely. You can't uninstall on Android though. Only disable it. Unfortunately, I still have to use Chrome for work sometimes, otherwise I would uninstall it completely from my computer.

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u/Flomo420 Sep 25 '22

yeah I never put the ol'thing away to begin with

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u/archaeolinuxgeek Sep 24 '22 Gold

If your browser of choice comes from a Chromium pedigree, you're going to have your ad blockers neutered in a short time. This is the danger of having a single player having control over a fundamental technology.

I'll go back to manually patching hosts files before I browse the internet without a content blocker.

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u/ProgsRS Sep 24 '22

People should really turn off their blockers for one day just to realize the absolute state of the internet today. It's a nightmare.

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u/inverimus Sep 24 '22

Whenever I use someone else's device without an ad blocker I can't believe how awful it is.

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u/ProgsRS Sep 24 '22

Same. Had to use my mom's phone once and there were like hundreds of spammed notifications from Chrome about 'cleaning up your device from viruses' from dodgy spam sites.

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u/firemage22 Sep 25 '22

I work IT at a senior home, a resident clicked on one of these links, and ended up with 76 "cleaner" apps

Took me a fricken half hour to clear them off.

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u/joebewaan Sep 25 '22

My City’s local news site loads so many trackers and scripts that it will crash most flagship smartphones if you click on one of their articles. The only way to view it is with adblockers or reader mode on iPhones

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u/Esnardoo Sep 25 '22

Take me back, back to the days when an element moving or fading instead of teleporting was considered the peak of web design, when every website was handcrafted instead of slapped together from templates and frameworks, when there was a very real chance your device couldn't even load whatever JavaScript bullshit you want to set up.

I wish we weren't in a constant war between trackers and content blockers.

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u/fofosfederation Sep 25 '22

If you keep the NY Times website open for a half hour, it uses a couple of gigs of data from all the tracking and ads.

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u/joebewaan Sep 25 '22

That is insane

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u/Artisanal_Shitposter Sep 25 '22

My dad showed me an article on his phone. It was two or three sentences then and ad. Then another sentence or two then an ad. Big ads too, so you had to scroll a mile to read the whole article. I might give up reading if that's what my experience was like every time.

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u/GaianNeuron Sep 25 '22

And we wonder why so many people seem to get all their news from headlines...

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u/p4y Sep 25 '22

People on reddit: "Why does nobody read the article?!"

The article

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u/Metasheep Sep 25 '22

There should be more ads on the page in between the paragraphs.

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u/parklife980 Sep 25 '22

That made me LOL

But it's only half as bad as my local news site. About 75% of the screen space is ads surrounding the article, then ads between every paragraph, and full screen pop up ads as you scroll down.

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u/TheTimeFarm Sep 25 '22

This is true modern art

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u/tiaxanderson Sep 25 '22

A colleague and I were talking about (non- consequential) mistakes we had made in our life and he remembered one at their parents.

Turns out he always sets up his parents computer and this time he had forgotten to install ad blockers. So not long after he got a call from them about how the Internet was 'different' somehow. They had 'different Internet'.

So he went back, saw what he had forgotten, and had to explain "no, this is the normal Internet. I've always given you special Internet" xD

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u/I_wont_argue Sep 25 '22

Whenever I use someone else's device without an ad blocker I immediatelly install one on his device.

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u/no-mad Sep 25 '22

eww, you use someone else's devices. nasty

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u/seventeenbadgers Sep 25 '22

The other day I had to check the weather in a city that I don't live in and didn't want the weather channel giving me trouble, so I opened an incognito window and went to weather.com. Without an ad blocker on the site is entirely unusable and unreadable. With the ad blocker on all of the information is neat and compact at the top of the page and I don't even have to scroll unless I want to look at the radar. Complete night and day difference.

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u/ProgsRS Sep 25 '22

It's also the case with a lot of major news sites. 70% of the page is just ads and you can barely read the content.

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u/Raudskeggr Sep 25 '22

and even UBO can't get all of them sometimes.

I die a little inside each time someone links to an article on a local network affiliate.

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u/seventeenbadgers Sep 25 '22

UBO doesn't get everything on most sites for me, but takes care of enough to make the internet usable. Still get clickbait articles but they're at the bottom

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u/MEGADOUCHE Sep 25 '22

Youtube Vanced just got cease and desisted, ads have slowly started popping up in the app as the app becomes outdated. Guess I'm going to have to start using youtube.com through the Firefox Android browser.

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u/ProgsRS Sep 25 '22

Nope! You can use NewPipe or even NewPipe x SponsorBlock.

NewPipe does not support accounts though, but that's its goal as it's a private client with no Google data collection or algorithms.

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u/MEGADOUCHE Sep 25 '22

Thanks, looks like someone picked up the vanced project since I last looked around. I'll keep newpipe in the back of my mind though.

https://github.com/inotia00/VancedManager_v2/releases/

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u/Riaayo Sep 25 '22

But then how would CEOs railroad the company into unsustainable short-term profits and bloat the value of their own stock?

Think of the parasites.

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u/joshthehappy Sep 25 '22

Dude, I screen share with customers from work all the time, the average consumer apparently has no fucking clue how to block ads and yeah shit show is the right phrase.

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u/ProgsRS Sep 25 '22

Yup same. Sometimes I see ABP and I cringe a little as well. It's a commercial ad blocker with whitelists for certain advertisers. Nothing tops uBO.

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u/tacticalcraptical Sep 24 '22

I be don't even have to do that, all I have to do is sit next to my girlfriend browsing the internet with Safari on her phone and I hear "Another commercial!?" about every third minute.

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u/Raudskeggr Sep 24 '22

Tell her there are iOS ad blockers that work . It will fix that problem

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u/Fobulousguy Sep 24 '22

Can you recommend any good free ones that can block YouTube ads?

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u/Fobulousguy Sep 25 '22

I got all the options selected but YouTube app still has ads. Is it only blocking for safari?

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u/joshthehappy Sep 25 '22

Set up a Pi Hole at least your home network will be blocking ads and when connected she will notice the difference for sure.

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u/brane_surgeon Sep 25 '22

This won’t block YouTube ads. Works great on most other things though.

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u/jamesded3rd Sep 25 '22

Any good up to date tutorials on this?

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u/joshthehappy Sep 25 '22

I plan on checking this later today after work, I'll try to remember to let you know if'n I find something good.

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u/AreWeNotDoinPhrasing Sep 25 '22

I’ve got this old Mac that isn’t doing anything right now but sitting under my desk. Can I use something like that to set up a pi hole?

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u/Raudskeggr Sep 25 '22

Oh I forgot to mention For youtube blocking I use This shortcut made by Adguard: https://adguard.com/en/blog/how-to-add-a-shortcut-to-block-youtube-ads.html

It does not require any additional installed software; but you will have to go into Shortcuts app settings and enable shortcut sharing and script running.

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u/Dalmahr Sep 25 '22

I use the internet on devices without adblocker once in a while. I don't understand who can daily drive it without swearing off the internet all together.

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u/lowpolydinosaur Sep 25 '22

You know, I linked a somewhat useful resource for games to some friends thinking nothing of it, only to get a major yikes from them. Apparently all the ads, that I could not see because of adblockers, were for porn. Whoopsie.

I may have berated them for not using adblockers to cover my embarrassment.

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u/ProgsRS Sep 25 '22

Can also always go with the classic 'ads are based on the sites you visit'.

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u/rares215 Sep 25 '22

Not when it comes to porn ads, from what I've seen. Since like, the websites that rely on porn ads are likely not advertiser friendly enough for the main providers, so the only deals they can score are with shady ad companies that exclusively deal in porn ads & the like.

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u/JimmyKillsAlot Sep 25 '22

Because of the nature of the job, work computers can't have ad blockers installed.... But a large part of the training includes "google this" so we are inundated. But people still think I am crazy when I tell them I have multiple ad blockers installed in browser.

I get that sites need revenue to run, but funnily enough the ones I disable the blocker on to let them get their 1000th of a cent from my view, also don't have a billion ads over every inch.

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u/ProgsRS Sep 25 '22

Some sites certainly overdo it and deserve to be blocked into oblivion. Definitely no problem with those who have like a single ad which doesn't interfere with the experience or content.

Although overall I'm not a fan of the ad-funded business model which is almost always based on user tracking, profiling, and targeted 'personalized' advertising, as it's fundamentally unethical.

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u/JimmyKillsAlot Sep 25 '22

It frustrates me that it is news sites that are some of the most egregious. But yeah, simple ads, soft banners down a side or the top or bottom but not otherwise interfering in what I am primarily there for are fine, hell I might actually be interested enough in what pops up to note it; but the moment it starts doing that resize, reorganize, cut the page in half, cover everything, or otherwise actively disrupt because "it drives more engagement!" then they have poisoned the well for the entire site.

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u/Ferg8 Sep 25 '22

I have an adblocker on my PC. I don't have any on my phone.

I never use my phone because it's fucking hell. Some websites are completely impossible to use because there's ads E-VE-RY-WHERE.

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u/DisturbedPuppy Sep 25 '22

Firefox on Android can use Ublock

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u/ThatOneGuy1294 Sep 25 '22

Literally why I stopped using chrome on my phone. Still use Chrome on my desktop out of laziness because I have various extensions that I don't know if there's a Firefox version,but I have no loyalty to any browser and I'll switch if ublock stops working.

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u/joshychrist Sep 25 '22

The memes alone of people and youtube ads... I'm here thinking "what ads? the only thing i get is the occasional youtube tv ad."

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u/rmorrin Sep 25 '22

Holy shit I'm going to school for AI and none of my classmates use ad blocker. I'm just like .. wtf

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u/Syntaire Sep 25 '22

Generally I agree, but I really hate that they're being called "content blockers". Ads and other such garbage are not content. If I filled a bag full of shit and put it in a box with something useful, I don't imagine many people would count the bag of shit as a part of the package they wanted.

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u/Disastrous_Host_3645 Sep 25 '22

It took me until this comment to even know what a 'Content Blocker' was. I saw ads mentioned in comment 1 but I'm just not familiar with the term content blockers.

So, thx, u/Syntaire.

Also, kudos. Ads are NOT content. Never have been, they're the cost for viewing the content.

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u/Entegy Sep 25 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Lots of people like myself have warned that Chrome has turned into another IE6 situation. Always brushed off because "Chromium is open source, anyone can fork it if they don't like the changes!" So supporting Manifest V2 may be easy for now, but what about in 5 years? Will the changes Google makes to Chromium make supporting Manifest V2 sustainable?

Remember that Microsoft threw in the towel and grand majority of Mozilla's revenue is from Google paying to be the default search engine in Firefox for most regions. Do you really have the money, time, and users to maintain a fork when even Microsoft decided not to?

I don't really know how we fix this though. The web is essentially Chromimum, with some WebKit thrown in that web developers begrudgingly support because Apple users open their wallets more than others do, so you make sure your sites and services work in Safari. Then there's Firefox. Chromium was a fork of WebKit, so the web is essentially something Chrome-like with Firefox. There's literally nobody else in this game. Vivaldi, Brave, even Opera, who once was famed for its own engine and strict adherence to web standards, are all Chromium based.

Google owns the Internet. Anyone who thinks we are not in an IE6 situation again is a fool.

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u/scottjb814 Sep 24 '22

At this point I think Google sees this like an insurance policy against antitrust. They can say that Firefox is still there so there’s still competition.

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u/shiroininja Sep 24 '22

That’s actually a really smart take.

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u/Dr_Element Sep 24 '22

And why intel didn't crush amd a few years ago

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u/darthfrankthetank Sep 25 '22

Well Intel tried in the early 00s and AMD sued them for a nice $1.25 billion settlement.

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u/-Vayra- Sep 24 '22

If they do kill FF off they will instantly be the target of anti-trust investigations in the EU and probably the US too.

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u/afoolskind Sep 24 '22

Google should have been the target of anti-trust investigations a million times over in the last decade. I really wish that you were right, but I can’t imagine killing off FF being the last straw.

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u/CocodaMonkey Sep 25 '22

Google was the target of anti-trust investigations in Europe the last few years. They were forced to make changes and given a historically huge fine.

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u/Fallingdamage Sep 24 '22

Google can keep its search spot, but having a search spot and demanding ad visibility are different things. That and if Mozilla picks up again and takes a big chunk of users away from Chrome, other companies will have renewed interest in giving them money instead of google. THey could lose googles business but gain plenty of business elsewhere.

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u/SilGelPhoto Sep 24 '22

I can’t believe anyone is still on chrome at this point. Once FF got a lot of the same features that drew me to chrome, I ditched Google and never looked back.

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u/S4T4NICP4NIC Sep 24 '22

I'll be the first to admit: I'm on Chrome because I've been using it for years, I'm very 'comfortable' with the UX (as weak as it is), and I'm deeply embedded in their services - gmail, maps, music, youtube, drive, photos, docs, etc. etc. For me it's the path of least resistance.

That being said, I'm open to change. I've started visiting r/degoogle recently and there are some convincing arguments to be made on why it's important to not let google essentially become the the internet.

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u/Cendeu Sep 25 '22

I'm just gonna add my two cents.

I'm also deeply rooted in Google stuff (I have a pixel, and use basically all Google apps) but still use Firefox and there's no difference. As far as I can really tell there's nothing that chrome does for Google users that Firefox doesn't also do.

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u/techdaddy321 Sep 24 '22

Absolutely every one of those services also functions just fine in Firefox.

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u/VTWAX_ONLY_INVESTOR Sep 25 '22

Just try Firefox for a week. It’s fine.

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u/xarumitzu Sep 24 '22

I’ve used Chrome since I was in college. I’d use Firefox, then get frustrated when a website wouldn’t behave correctly and switch back.

That being said, I made the switch to Firefox this morning. Imported everything, installed uBlock, made a few tweaks and it’s basically indistinguishable from Chrome. I’m happy with it so far.

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u/clearlynotanegg Sep 24 '22

Only wish they had the auto-translate of Google Chrome. I find myself having to switch browsers to view translated texts. Any work around for this?

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u/Scripitee Sep 24 '22

I know it might not be ideal being 3rd party but this one works: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web/

First time replied with the wrong extension so ignore that one if you see it :P

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u/BlasterPhase Sep 24 '22

I don't understand the graphic you posted. What am I looking for?

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u/Cr0n0x Sep 24 '22

The royalties are what google pays them to have "Google" as the default on their homepage, this shows that MOST of their money comes from Google. Which means that Google can easily "defund" them.

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u/PhilosophicalBrewer Sep 25 '22

Google pays this amount because they make multiples more from it. So, while it may be a massive blow to Firefox, they’d have to explain to their investors why billions of revenue is suddenly gone.

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u/tricksterloki Sep 24 '22

Vivaldi has built in ad and tracker blocking. It's the best chromium fork in my opinion. They have both an android and windows version, is feature rich, and highly customizable.

I was using Firefox before giving Vivaldi a try, but that was before a lot of Firefox's improvements. I'm glad there is at least one viable choice to chromium out there. I wish there was more.

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u/LatkaGravas Sep 24 '22

SRWare Iron is another excellent Chromium fork. It is essentially Chrome with all of the Google connections stripped out of it, along with some other privacy-focused changes. It's made by a German IT company. No auto-updater, though, which is the only real downside IMO.

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u/izzzi Sep 24 '22

I switched back to Firefox from chrome as soon as the manifest v3 change was announced. It's been nice being back in a cozy browser that actually tries to protect me instead of exploit me. Come join us.

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u/blueman541 Sep 24 '22

As a power user with many open tabs, switched from Chrome to Firefox and now can't live without TreeStyleTabs + AutoDiscard + Multi-Account-container extensions

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u/Internep Sep 25 '22

Aren't multi-account containers a build in feature (on desktop)?

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u/blueman541 Sep 25 '22

container feature I think is build in, but to manage or actually use it requires an extension.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/

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u/iwaitinlines Sep 25 '22

What do those extensions do?

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u/blueman541 Sep 25 '22

TreeStyleTabs - side bar for tabs, but has expandable tree structure. Makes it super easy to visualize, move, and work with lots of tabs. Juggling many projects handy. Instead of having multiple browser window open, I have multiple trees of tabs for each project in the same browser window.

AutoTabDiscard - discard, put to sleep/hibernate, inactive tabs to not drain cpu/resources. Clicking on the inactive tab will wake it up again. Allows tons and tons of tabs leave open, but not slow your computer down.

Multi-Account-Container - think of each container as an entirely separate browser. You can make a dedicated container just for example facebook. This way it is segregated for privacy or allow you to have multiple logins.

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u/dudetheman87 Sep 25 '22

Thanks for sharing, I'm moving to FF. One thing to be aware of, some of these extensions (e.g. Auto Tab Discard) will have access to all your data from all websites, including username and passwords. I saw that from the warning message you get when installing new extensions.

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u/blueman541 Sep 25 '22

Just the nature of the extension to work but at least the source code is open to view on github

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u/tomz17 Sep 24 '22

And, as a bonus, seamless mobile experience. You can run an adblocker in Firefox on Android AND it syncs (e.g. history, bookmarks, passwords, etc.) with your desktop install of Firefox.

IMHO, anyone sticking with chrome/chromium past manifest V3 is a masochist.

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u/1nc0nsp1cu0us Sep 24 '22

Or ignorant. Most of my friends and family don't care.

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u/Artisanal_Shitposter Sep 25 '22

Have you tried containers yet? Game changing. Especially if you work from home.

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u/ARandomBob Sep 25 '22

Aye! The send tab to X device is a godsend. Chrome used to have that feature 10 years ago. I used it on my Nexus 4, but they got rid of it at some point.

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u/TableAggressive398 Sep 24 '22

A few years back I noticed that chrome was burning thru ram and it made me switch to FF. Chrome used to be all about speed but for whatever reason lost that focus. FF was using it much less for me. I’m not really a tech dude but I like to game and spend as little money as possible so I thought that ff would help my comp last longer. I haven’t looked elsewhere but I don’t see why browsing the internet should take up like 40% of my ram.

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u/Hayden2332 Sep 25 '22

So the reason chrome does this, and other applications as well, is because storing more in memory IS what makes the browser fast. Using more memory doesn’t mean it’s less performant, and most people think of this the wrong way because of that. Basically chrome talks to your OS and says “hey if you give me more memory, I could use it to be faster” and your OS takes that, checks if there’s higher priority tasks that need that memory, and decides whether or not to give chrome access. So it’s not that chrome NEEDS all that memory, it’s just making use of memory that’s currently not being used (which doesn’t affect the lifespan btw)

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u/seahorsetech Sep 24 '22

This is a wake up call for people blindly using Chromium browsers to finally understand the severity and complexity of the Chromium monopoly. Why are we as consumers fine with downloading and using a service Google has pushed on us without much thought?

Look at what Chromium has done, now nearly every web browser other than Firefox and Safari use the Chromium rendering engine. What does this do… gives Google ultimate control over web standards.

We need competition on the web space, not a monopoly. Switch to Firefox and install the UBlock Origin extension.

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u/spaceturtle1 Sep 24 '22 Helpful

It was a genius move by google. The classic "Divide and Conquer" move.

Release Chromium and receive positive PR for "free and open-source".

Browser market fragments to an insane degree any non-chromium core browsers are drowned.

The web environment gets used to the google framework.

Execute Order 66 and kill Adblockers cause Advertising Company likes advertising.

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u/nox66 Sep 25 '22

Their just taking a page out of Microsoft's book.

Fun fact: the "alternative" browser at the time, Netscape Navigator, is the direct predecessor to Mozilla Firefox.

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u/randommouse Sep 24 '22

It's not like Microsoft did the exact same shit with internet Explorer... Should have been pretty obvious what was gonna happen once Google achieved dominance. Do people know that Netscape Navigator (main competition to IE) was basically rebranded as Firefox?

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u/TheDunadan29 Sep 25 '22

The internet is now old enough that history repeating itself now applies to the internet too.

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u/Friggin_Grease Sep 24 '22

Netscape for life

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BEAMSHOTS Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

While you can say Firefox is based around Netscape. Mozilla Application Suite came first based of Netspace and SeaMonkey is continuing of that, so it is more of a direct descendant of Netscape than Firefox. Surprisingly SeaMonkey is still around and there is only XUL.

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u/drysart Sep 25 '22

Do people know that Netscape Navigator (main competition to IE) was basically rebranded as Firefox?

That's not true. When Netscape died and open-sourced Navigator, the Mozilla project threw away all the source code and started over from scratch (because the Navigator codebase was an irredeemable dumpster fire; seriously, Navigator was a horrible browser).

Mozilla (and eventually Firefox) share no code with Navigator; it's not "basically rebranded" in any stretch of the imagination.

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u/RedSquirrelFtw Sep 25 '22

Yep it's bad. It used to be this way with IE dominating but Chrome seems to have taken over and it's just as bad. I remember IE having really weird "standards" that only worked in IE, which was a huge pain as lot of stuff only worked in IE. ActiveX and Silverlight for example. Thankfully those are dead now but Google could easily come up with their own version of something like this if they wanted to.

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u/beautifulgirl789 Sep 25 '22

Google have already started trying this, using their monopolistic position to degrade the experience for everyone else.

When youtube started supporting 60fps video, for example, it would only work in Chrome, by design - everyone else got limited to 30fps.

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u/Arghblarg Sep 25 '22

Google AMP, that needs to die in a fire.

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u/hopsizzle Sep 24 '22

People shit on the OG IE and memed about it and this is what it got them.

Sucks that we now basically have 1 option left if we want to use ublock. (Yes I know vivaldi will support its own stuff but it’s still chromium)

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u/imnotmrrobot Sep 24 '22

IE was the original browser monopoly attempt though.

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u/nox66 Sep 25 '22

IE was Microsoft's attempt at a browser monopoly, and was notorious for security issues and not following web standards properly.

If you want to use Ublock Origin (superior to Ublock, as it's maintained by the original author), use Firefox. It's a modern browser, at least as efficient as Chrome (much more so in my experience), great extension support, and even has a mobile version. You can even keep the two synced with a Firefox sync account if you want. It's also not Chromium based but still has excellent compatibility on the web.

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u/atimholt Sep 24 '22

For reasons (drama + other stuff), “UBlock Origin” is more likely what you'll want to use.

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u/nox66 Sep 25 '22

IIRC, Ublock Origin is run by the original creator of Ublock, whereas Ublock was bought out by some company. Due to how open source licensing works, you can "rescue" the code in a new project, but oftentimes you can't rescue the name. It's why we have Nextcloud from Opencloud, MariaSQL from MySQL, etc.

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u/ComradeMatis Sep 24 '22

The thing that frustrates me the most about the move from Manifest V2 to Manifest V3 are the many discussions that have occurred on the Webextensions API GitHub regarding the problems with the new declarative webrequest only for those many legitimate complaints raised by extension developers to be ignored by engineers working at Google (and to a lesser extent Apple - Apple appears to be going through the motions rather than actively involved). What makes the situation worse is the fact that third parties have offered alternatives models which would address the security and privacy concerns regarding the current web request api but simply ignored - it's almost as though Chrome is hell bent on shipping a crippled API because it benefits them.

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u/Maharsi Sep 24 '22

The internet rejoices! They are probably flooded with people coming from other browsers, as of late.

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u/professorDissociate Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

And good. Love to see an open source project put up serious competition to the bigger players. I don’t understand why Google would shoot their market reach in the foot like this…

Most people will undoubtedly not care, as that’s the reality of this world. But enough people will that you’d think Google would reconsider their stance. They must believe that not supporting ad-blockers will increase revenue despite losses in market reach. But why it when the very people that would generate said “increased revenue” are the exact same bunch of people who stand to get pissed off and switch browsers over this.

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u/Lahtisensei Sep 24 '22

Chrome has 3 billion users. Even if 300 million users leave. The amount they make on the rest probably outweigh the 300m leaving. And probably by.. alot.

These people are not stupid.

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u/loulan Sep 24 '22

Tech companies screwing themselves over with an update is not unheard of. Yes, they can be stupid.

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u/sauhrub Sep 25 '22

Google products look and feel like they’ve been coming out of churn factory for the last couple of years.

Engineers are not part of ideas and decision making for the most part.

Product managers at google are not just stupid, they are some of the worst people you could hire to manage a product.

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u/DurDurhistan Sep 25 '22

If you can switch to new browser, you are not the Chrome target audience. You see, Chrome has been playing the long game, first it was adopted by young and tech savvy people, then by people who just wanted good browser, and finally it was installed on computers of people who don't know shit. The last two are the target audiences. Yes, you will switch. But your mom and your boss won't. They will be served with triple dose of ads.

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u/nicetriangle Sep 25 '22

I never left! Firefox has had some rough patches along the way, but it's great these days

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u/ForTheL1ght Sep 24 '22

A gentle reminder that if you use Firefox and you want to see them continue their work, you should consider paying for their VPN services. They are inexpensive, secure, and a good way to support them and get something in return, other than their browser software. I pay for both their FPN and VPN services, even though I rarely use their FPN service.

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u/Eurynom0s Sep 25 '22

The VPN is just a Mullvad skin. So a very good choice and you're tossing some money to Mozilla.

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u/10thDeadlySin Sep 25 '22

A gentle reminder to the Mozilla Foundation that they should probably offer this VPN of theirs in more than 17 countries around the world. The whole of the EU would be a good start, since right now it's available in only a third of the 27 member states.

I'd happily pay for it, but I don't want to have to use VPN to be able to set up a VPN ;)

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u/Sky_Sieger Sep 25 '22

Never heard of FPN, time to research

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u/shortieXV Sep 25 '22

For others looking this up it appears to be Firefox Private Network. Acts as a VPN but only by way of browser extension rather than stand alone app.

Glad to be corrected if others find different.

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u/CbVdD Sep 24 '22

Anyone here using the Firefox Nightly with regular updates?

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u/Rhinorulz Sep 24 '22

Nightly here as my daily, on both phone and PC. Love the daily updates

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u/RVelts Sep 24 '22

Developer Edition which is usually just behind nightly, on the Aurora update path. I started using it years ago when it was the only way to get 64bit.

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u/Major_Wedgie_ Sep 25 '22

Firefox is the direct descendant of the original web browser - Netscape Navigator.

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u/digitalrehab Sep 24 '22

“Current Chromium extensions use Manifest V2 for the most part, even though the January 2023 deadline is looming over the heads of every extension developer.

Google is using its might to push Manifest v3, and most Chromium-based browsers, including Microsoft Edge, will follow. From January 2023 on, extensions need to support Manifest v3 exclusively to be listed in the Chrome Web Store. There is an Enterprise policy to extend the blocking of Manifest v2 support in Chrome by six months, but Google announced already that it won't extend that, despite delays in getting all APIs out in the open for developers.

By June 2023, Chrome and most Chromium-based browsers won't support Manifest v2 extensions anymore. Those installed will be disabled automatically, because they are no longer compatible. Those offered on the Chrome Web Store will vanish, unless their developers published an update to make them compatible with the new Manifest v3.

Mozilla announced early on that it will support Manifest v3 as well, but that it would continue to support important APIs that Google limited in Manifest v3. Probably the most important of them all is the WebRequest API. Used by content blockers extensively to filter certain items, it has been replaced by a less powerful option in Manifest v3.

While Manifest v3 does not mean the end for content blocking on Chrome, Edge and other Chromium-based browsers, it may limit abilities under certain circumstances. Users who install a single content blocker and no other extension that relies on the same relevant API may not notice much of a change, but those who like to add custom filter lists or use multiple extensions that rely on the API, may run into artificial limits set by Google.

AdGuard launched a Manifest v3 compatible ad-blocker recently, and it will display warning prompts if its operation is limited in the browser.”

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u/1094753 Sep 24 '22

v3 manifest limit the blocklist to 30000 lines. It would reduce ublock origin black list of about 75% of the current blacklist.

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u/Druggedhippo Sep 25 '22

The developer of uBlock Origin has released a v3 manifest version of uBlock:

The default ruleset corresponds to uBlock Origin's default filterset:

  • uBlock Origin's built-in filter lists
  • EasyList
  • EasyPrivacy
  • Peter Lowe’s Ad and tracking server list

You can add more rulesets by visiting the options page -- click the Cogs icon in the popup panel.

Of the 30K limit he says:

uBOL's default filter lists is that of uBO (minus "Online Malicious URL Blocklist", so blocks ads, trackers, and more out of the box), and as a result of the improvements above, it only uses ~20K DNR rules which correspond to ~76K network filters in uBO. This should allow to enable one or two regional lists without busting the API-imposed soft limit of 30K DNR rules per extension.

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u/Jelly_Mac Sep 25 '22

Goddamn there are a lot of ad servers

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u/Reelix Sep 25 '22

75% of the currently blocklist contains things for like that random Lebonese site that receives 1 visitor every 2nd month.

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u/digitalrehab Sep 24 '22

Still sounds like anything could happen between now and then. Others noted Mozilla estimates 80% of their revenue from Google which could be leveraged against them in the future.

South Park illustrated the invasion of ads all too well. It’s a never ending battle where we are constantly inundated with ads over any digital viewing medium.

And a little coincidental for youtube to increase to an absurd amount of ads w/o premium while Chrome reduces functionality of blockers that would bypass this.

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u/Expensive_Finger_973 Sep 24 '22

My attitude to advertising has been virtually zero tolerance for years now. I don't care if it is the only way to make a given thing viable, let it die if ads are the only way.

Ad companies are never happy with the amount of ads and data they get. Give them a foot hold and they will never stop. They are parasites that by and large have no reason or function to exist other than the grift.

If a thing can not be profitable without ads then either the price is to high or the thing is just not that valuable.

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u/decidedlysticky23 Sep 25 '22

I am similarly resolved. Ads ruin everything. I won’t subscribe to or use any service which includes ads. It’s my red line. I instantly walk away.

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u/vriska1 Sep 25 '22

Mozilla estimates 80% of their revenue from Google which could be leveraged against them in the future.

Do you think that will happen?

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u/digitalrehab Sep 25 '22

I doubt it in a conventional way. Moz has a much smaller % of user base, it wouldn’t make sense until the market share became a more prominent threat.

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u/vriska1 Sep 25 '22

Seems FF market share is going up now.

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u/chillyhellion Sep 24 '22

Firefox really needs to double down on features.

  • Containers is great, but hasn't made it to mobile
  • Collections are great, but haven't made it to desktop
  • Tree style tabs are great, but Firefox would benefit from a native implementation that doesn't require CSS to hide the title bar

Edge in particular is clobbering Firefox with tab groups, collections, native vertical tab integration that's probably the best of current browsers.

I want Firefox to succeed.

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u/jasonxtk Sep 25 '22

tab groups

I thought that shit was annoying, personally. Every time I moved a tab around, it got grouped up automatically. I got so annoyed with having to ungroup a tab every time I tried to move it, it actually made me switch back to Firefox.

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u/Zoological_Exhibit Sep 25 '22

I wish there was a toggle. I find it annoying for my normal use, but when I’m working it’s insanely useful.

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u/Zoological_Exhibit Sep 25 '22

Vertical tabs is genuinely the only thing keeping me from moving away from Edge. You save so much screen space and can fit way more tabs on screen compared to a horizontal tab bar. I find it fairly tricky to go back to a horizontal tab bar now, and every extension for vertical tabs for other browsers I’ve seen has it at a fixed width - they can’t do what edge does where you only just see the favicons until you hover over the tab bar. If Firefox implemented that in the same way as Edge, I’d jump over in a heartbeat.

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u/quaz3 Sep 25 '22

Tree Tabs. The same things Edge does, but several times better. Hierarchies, folders, groups, …

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u/Aggraphine Sep 24 '22

Wonder if I should finally drop Brave and go back to Firefox. It's been a solid browser thus far, but is unfortunately Chromium-based.

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u/sabin357 Sep 25 '22

No one should be supporting Brave nowadays after we've learned the stuff they do.

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u/Triple10X Sep 24 '22

I used Brave for a while but kept getting annoyed at the constant crypto ads. Back to Firefox and I’m fine with it

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u/Friggin_Grease Sep 24 '22

I find lots of shit has been wonky on Chrome. Been using Edge lately when shit doesn't work. Just tried to sign into Sportsnet Now on Chrome. Nothing. No error message either.

Working on Edge

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u/ocassionallyaduck Sep 25 '22

Sadly, as still chromium based as a browser since MS quit making a rendering engine. So it will inherit these changes when Google makes them.

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u/Friggin_Grease Sep 25 '22

I used FF well before Chrome. I suppose I could switch back easily.

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u/OldWrangler9033 Sep 25 '22

Hopefully Mozilla will survive when Alphabet decides to try subdue or remove them.

Its going take act from governments put stop to Alphabet/Google monopoly.

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u/PowerfulJoeyKarate Sep 24 '22

The moment my ublock stops working, I’m downloading firefox

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u/RadicalDog Sep 25 '22

Why wait? Ublock is on Firefox.

I also really like that they containerise Facebook/Instagram tabs and stop that particular cancer tracking you everywhere, even if you don't have an account.

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u/Killfile Sep 25 '22

Use containers more broadly, it's great. I use containers to keep my various Google accounts separated, keep reddit in its own box, etc.

It's amazing how different sites look to my personal and work identities now that they're decoupled

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u/Dalmahr Sep 25 '22

Firefox is a great browser, fast, reliable. No reason to not use it.

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u/RedSquirrelFtw Sep 25 '22

I never switched to chrome at all when it came out, always stuck with Firefox. Reasons like this is why, they actually do care about our privacy, and usability of the browser.

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u/Heijoshinn Sep 24 '22

https://contrachrome.com/

The Google playbook. To be honest, almost every tech companies playbook.

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u/Lingonberry_Obvious Sep 25 '22

Wow this is amazing. Shows you how extremely invasive and extensive Google’s tracking is.

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u/Withnail- Sep 25 '22

They had me at Dark Mode.

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u/ReportingInSir Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

The problem with chrome and no content blockers is this sets up the bulk of people getting malware. Disgusting thing google is doing. So they are going to neuter ad blockers. That will make the internet dangerous and unusable. Hopefully this won't effect things that bad or we all go off the chrome store. I use Firefox mainly anyways.

I do not trust Google. They have too much information on everyone to the point that it is dangerous. We should be able to remove chrome out of Android but your phone don't let you completely disable and ditch chrome.

Something Microsoft got sued for during the anti-trust lawsuits having to do with Internet Explorer. They always make their browser default and all that stuff so i am waiting for the lawsuit to happen.

Android is an operating system the same way Windows is. Microsoft got sued for what Google is currently doing.

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u/tommy_2712 Sep 24 '22

In the near future, their servers will be powerful enough to serve ads from the same domains as the contents. DNS sink hole will be useless. The only way to block ads on the website will be blocking parts of the html code containing ads. Manifest V3 from Google makes it no longer possible.

Welcome to the future, guys. Where they can plaster ads up to 80% of user's field of vision before they have seizure.

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u/drysart Sep 24 '22

In the near future, their servers will be powerful enough to serve ads from the same domains as the contents.

That's not only already possible, but already happening in some cases. The problem with it has never been whether the server is "powerful enough", but an issue of trust between the ad provider and the content provider -- content providers are incentivized to inflate their traffic numbers as much as possible; and if all ad traffic has to tunnel through the content providers' servers first, it puts the content provider in a position to falsify their traffic that the ad provider ultimately sees.

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u/monchota Sep 25 '22

These streaming companies are going to fight hard, after Hulu (Disney) realised that the majority of Ad subs are probably adblocking. They was any of that dead, asap.

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u/raggusfamilius Sep 25 '22

Allows ublock origin on Android too. The only browser that does I believe

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u/QuietThunder2014 Sep 24 '22

This is why I invested in a r/pihole.

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u/mountainrebel Sep 25 '22

Problem is pihole can only block by domain because of https encryption. Browser plugins can block specific urls and elements, which is why there's backlash over chrome crippling them.

Although to pihole's credit, it can block ads outside the browser, and on any device, and can block a lot of forms of telemetry.

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u/AaruIsBoss Sep 24 '22

Won’t work on server-side ads (like YouTube does)

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u/Expensive_Finger_973 Sep 24 '22

This, a multi layered approach to ad and content blocking and a willingness to pay for things outright has done wonders for being able to wall myself off from most of the advertising world.

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u/twerps Sep 24 '22

Back to Firefox we go.
Google has been going downhill since 2017. They've turned into the corporate monster they used to fight back when they actually supported FOSS.
Chrome has nothing good to offer these days and Google has started tightening the screws. Between this and whatever tracking system they've planned for when cookies are dead, just 100% hard pass.

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u/chazmann Sep 25 '22

Praise be to the firey fox. Been with you for over 10 years and not going anywhere.

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u/Tankbot85 Sep 25 '22

I made the full switch to Firefox 2 weeks ago. Been a good experience so far. Fuck Manifest 3.0. Ublock Origin or something of the sort will never come off my browser as well as my Pi-Hole.

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u/dontstabpeople42069 Sep 24 '22

Looks like I have some switching to do

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u/Blazah Sep 25 '22

So I guess all chromebook are now useless?

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u/Black_RL Sep 25 '22

Good! Else I have to consider Brave……

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u/praefectus_praetorio Sep 25 '22

When Chrome became IE.

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u/brainstormer77 Sep 25 '22

Firefox is my daily browser, I wonder if Edge will also continue this path rather than follow Chrome.

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u/cats_catz_kats_katz Sep 25 '22

They need to ride the wave of people dumping Chrome. FF is such a great browser that is often overlooked.