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Putin promises Russian mothers $16K for having ten children Russia/Ukraine

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-putin-kremlin-mother-heroine-1734361
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u/Kakashi7x Aug 17 '22

He can't even promise their military their pay.

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u/m703324 Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

Oh he's good at promising. Only none of his promises ever come to reality. But brainwashed public seems to salivate and actually believe him even after so many years of him robbing the country

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u/ELB2001 Aug 17 '22

Years from now women get their 10th kid, they try to claim it but the new dictator replies "new management, we no longer run that deal"

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u/Appletio Aug 17 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

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u/OrphanDextro Aug 17 '22 Wholesome

Who are they even gonna fuck to have 10 kids? All the father aged men are getting slaughtered already in Ukraine.

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u/Fun_Cupcake_4321 Aug 17 '22 Helpful

50 to 60 year old Russian men will become the Oligarchs of Poon!

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u/Kage_Oni Aug 18 '22

Is that like being a Sultan of Swing?

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u/Stupidquestionduh Aug 18 '22 Silver

The Collosal of Clap.

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u/flipnonymous Aug 18 '22

The Great Bangbino

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u/cjg5025 Aug 18 '22

The Collosal of Clap.

Shut up Tommy

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u/METAL4_BREAKFST Aug 18 '22 Silver

And Yuri doesn't mind if he doesn't make the scene

He's got a daytime job, he's doing alright.

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u/AreWeCowabunga Aug 17 '22

Even if 85 year old Putin were still in power (god forbid), they’d still probably back out.

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u/ELB2001 Aug 17 '22

Putin: nah, Fineprint said they had to be alive, your first five kids already died liberating Ukraine.

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u/25sittinon25cents Aug 17 '22

7.5 years minimum, assuming all pregnancies go smoothly and you do it literally back to back. Factoring in inflation, the risk of Putin withdrawing on his promise etc, this sounds like a very shit deal.

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u/Immobile1 Aug 17 '22

Just give birth to multiple twins, triplets, etc. Easy peasy

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u/Soft_Use229 Aug 17 '22 Helpful

pshhh go Octomom and bang it out in 2x

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u/PM_YOUR_ISSUES Aug 17 '22

Who even cares about the risk of the money not being paid out; even in Russia $16k won't cover the cost of raising one child to 16 - 18 years old, let along 10.

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u/djimbob Aug 17 '22

This page of costs to Russia parents make it sound like 1 kid is about $1000/yr ($50/mo for food + $300/yr clothes + $100/yr other expenses like beds/increased rent/kindergarten taking numbers from here. (Warning linked website is state owned by Russia and labeled as propaganda in the Guardian and Slate).

So yeah, one kid for 18 years will cost ~$18k and ten will cost ~$180k.

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u/Horse-Graper Aug 17 '22

$50 per month for food?

"Here's your bread sandwich for the entire day, Vlad - good luck."

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u/anumati Aug 17 '22

Vodka has lots of calories

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u/HybridVigor Aug 18 '22

And it's usually made from potatoes, making it easy to get your recommended dietary allowance for vegetables.

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u/lolno Aug 17 '22

"it clearly states all children must be living and unfortunately one of yours passed away from that fall out of a window next week."

"Wait, what?"

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u/cbftw Aug 18 '22

"it clearly states all children must be living and unfortunately one ~~ eight of yours passed away ~~from that fall out of a window next week. on the front lines "

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u/BoonTobias Aug 17 '22

One of your kids passed away from the fall out in the zone

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u/cock_babtridge Aug 17 '22

New management, who dis?

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u/BoomBoomRoom12 Aug 17 '22

"Let me speak to whoever the manager is now then.

"He's not here but I can give you our corporate customer service number."

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u/Theverybestversion Aug 17 '22

Then they hold up their hand and take one finger down at a time, leaving the middle finger at the end.

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u/EspiralAlcista Aug 17 '22

My brother lives in Japan and for a while the prefecture he lives in offered a free minivan for having 3 or more kids lol

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u/Hobbit1996 Aug 17 '22

That’s not a bad idea tho… actually useful if you already have them anyways

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u/Kriegmannn Aug 17 '22

And if they were electric, it would kickstart a new wave of families using majority electric vehicles. Cool idea

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u/hs123go Aug 17 '22

Not gonna happen until Toyota finally admits their hydrogen vehicles have gone the way of the Edsel lol

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u/justakidfromflint Aug 17 '22

Yeah at least that's actually useful for the family and it's only 3 kids which some people might choose to have any way (although it's probably not as common in Japan) Although the whole reward you for having X kids thing is creepy as a whole

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u/Whalesurgeon Aug 17 '22

Did it work? Are there lots of families now driving around in minivans?

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u/scolipeeeeed Aug 17 '22

Maybe in the countryside, but in suburban areas, people don't really use cars because gas is expensive and parking can be expensive and limited as well. When I lived in Japan, my parents and I commuted to work/school with some combination of walking and public transit and only used the car for something like a camping trip or to go somewhere far or with more limited public transit, so maybe like once a week. Pretty much everything from grocery shopping, going to a park, hanging out with friends, to commuting to work/school can be done without a car (and is often more convenient to do so) in suburban Japan.

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u/ParticularCod6 Aug 17 '22

That sounds like something that /r/fuckcars would enjoy

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u/EspiralAlcista Aug 17 '22

Idk!! Last I heard Japan was still experiencing super low birth rates so maybe not :-/

Maybe they need to start by offering sedans to incentivize having the first kid?

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u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp Aug 17 '22

Because Japan's birthrate problem isn't practical (i.e. space, money etc), but cultural. Primarily, at least. There are always many factors.

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u/ThrowedOutBack Aug 17 '22

I hear or have read that as much as 40 percent of the population under 30 doesn't date.

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u/TZH85 Aug 17 '22

Similar factors contribute to this in a lot of highly developed countries. Probably a combination of wages not keeping up with inflation, rising costs of living, less and less stigma for remaining childless or unmarried, the long time it takes to finish your education and establish a career, retirement age rising means a lot of jobs, including the good ones, are still staffed with older employees which means the younger ones can’t advance as quickly. Just a couple of generations ago it was possible to sustain a family and a house on one income. Plus, the news just bombards us with negativity all day, causing a lot of stress. No wonder fewer and fewer people have the means or the energy to start a family.

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u/coolaznkenny Aug 17 '22

i mean the problem is nothing to do with the minivans and its a combination of work/life balance, women who wants more than just a mother, men/women become permanent shut ins, rising cost, etc

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u/takanakasan Aug 17 '22

It's kinda crazy how much the stay at home mom thing has been going in Japan. Idk how anyone who isn't very very wealthy can afford a single family income. Yet it seems like there's a big stigma in Japan for women who work while raising kids (to say nothing of childcare costs).

Japan demands a lot of things of their people culturally and doesn't seem to understand why those things plummet birth rates. But it's really obvious. No one wants to go on a date after a 12 hour shift at work. No one wants to go one a date when they're expected to care for elderly family members - ironic as fuck when the birth rate needs to be upped to take care of the elderly. And no one really can raise a family in these teeny tiny "efficiency" apartments that litter Tokyo, where a lot of the high paying jobs are.

Now add inflation, rising cost of living, rising housing costs, environmental collapse, political collapse, pandemics and war, and I'm stunned anyone at all is having children.

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u/Drone30389 Aug 17 '22 Silver Bravo!

Start printing "I had 10 children and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" shirts.

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u/irago_ Aug 17 '22

You don't need funerals when you don't even know that your 18 year old son is dead in a ditch while you were never aware he was sent off to war

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u/SICHKLA Aug 17 '22

I mean once they lose the war and nobody comes back I'm pretty sure they'll have a funeral

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u/BleachedUnicornBHole Aug 17 '22

That’s the trick, the war won’t “end.” Russia will keep up with the fuckery in some way even if pushed back.

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u/Lil_chikchik Aug 17 '22

As long as they sent back some washing machines and toilets…

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u/M00SEHUNT3R Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

And how does this help them now? He should double the bonus if they can make sure to have birthed all ten kids 17 years ago.

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u/LZYX Aug 17 '22

You don't think the Ukrainians will start freaking out when the Russians start dropping BABIES from the sky?!

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u/PaperCutOnYourEyebal Aug 17 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry Bravo Grande!

Would these be…infantry then?

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u/GISonMyFace Aug 17 '22

Transport planes full of women having induced births, squeezing them out above the battlefields of Ukraine. Airborne infantry.

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u/victory_zero Aug 17 '22

We have drones, they have toddlers

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u/sirfletchalot Aug 17 '22

I'm sure I've seen this weapon in Worms

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u/haukino Aug 17 '22

the best game. I mean the OG version

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u/Dirus Aug 17 '22

I would assume it’s more about work force and productivity than war. Its unlikely Russia will get wiped off the map, but if they lose much of their work force than they will go through other hardships like less innovation, less workers, less collected tax, etc. Probably a lot of the same results of an aging society.

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u/Developastrategy Aug 17 '22

Yea, from the article;

Russia's population has been in decline for decades, with figures released in July by the state statistics agency Rosstat showing it had fallen to 145.1 million.

It is estimated that Russia's population will fall to about 132 million in the next two decades, with the United Nations predicting that in a worst-case scenario, its population could almost halve, to just 83 million by the start of the next century.

They have lost maybe 30 thousand in the war (upper estimates) . Thats barely statistically noise.

Its good for the environment for the population to drop but not good for a country that needs tax income

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u/Asian_porn_addict Aug 18 '22

Death isn't the only thing. When the war began every tech and industrial company fished all the engineers, tech specialist and scientist out of Russia. Everyone who hates Putin and can leave left.

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u/sunnyd_2679 Aug 17 '22

And another 375k Covid deaths.

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u/Soonyulnoh2 Aug 17 '22

Actually....for 15 years...much worse workforce because all the women will be producing babies...."We have simple job in Bomb Factory for you pregnant ones".

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u/Fulllyy Aug 17 '22

He doesn’t have the money. It’s all in oligarchs’ pockets and French chalets in the Alps and basements abroad full of gold and real estate investments. Even the reactive armor in the new tanks was stuffed with hard rubber instead of explosive charges so they could steal the money meant for buying the explosives, it’s been a kleptocracy in Russia for decades now.

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u/phrxmd Aug 17 '22

I can't believe that Putin doesn't recognize the optics and overt signaling of what he's doing. This is exactly what the Germans did towards the end of WWII when they were running out of men.

The Soviets did the same, the Mother Heroine badge was first introduced in 1944 and existed until 1991.

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u/T_A_I_N_T Aug 17 '22

Looks like it exists again as of 2 days ago! From the Wikipedia article:

"On August 15, 2022 Vladimir Putin signed a decree reviving the honorary title. "

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u/abellapa Aug 17 '22

Probably both, Russia demographics was already falling hard, the war is making it fall even harder

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u/Pesco- Aug 17 '22

Russians know living in Russia is so oppressive that they’re not willing to bring more Russians into the world.

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u/baghag93 Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

And no one wants to immigrate there. The right can crow about migration all day but countries are like nightclubs. If people aren’t clamoring to get in it’s probably not a good sign.

Edit: some psycho Russian bot is trying to PM with links to crazy trump websites claiming tons of people are just dying to immigrate there, more than even the UK. Just thought I’d update you guys on the real facts I guess.

Edit #2: looks like bot 2 is responding with the same link and same message below. Well they are nothing if not efficient.

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u/drinkmorerum Aug 17 '22

Not true. Steven Seagal moved there and even became a citizen! /s

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u/Jellodyne Aug 17 '22

We're not sending our best and brightest

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u/VintageHacker Aug 17 '22

Ever wonder what he's distancing himself from ? Maybe its that sexual assault investigation by LAPD. Perhaps Russia is a good place for him.

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u/Pesco- Aug 17 '22

It’s true, most developed countries rely on immigration to make up the labor gap.

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u/Designer_World_8255 Aug 17 '22

I genuinely think for the benefit of the west we should heavily fund prenatal care & have some.. form of federal reimbursement for daycares in line with what we do with medicare. There's no reason anyone should ever fear having their own children.

Shipping in more migrants just for cheap labor isn't the answer.

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u/PowderPuffGirls Aug 17 '22

For the benefit of he USA. Most developed countries can figure out parental leave, day care, child support, etc. The US is an extreme outlier. Here's paid leave as an example.

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u/ManaFrmHeaven Aug 17 '22

Need more meat for the grinder.

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u/bittoxic00 Aug 17 '22

If he were smart he’d start a free online dating service for the Russian widows, lure in foreign men and then draft them, better than waiting 18 years

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u/EWH733 Aug 17 '22

He’s far too xenophobic for this! Foreign men bring foreign ideas. Better to brainwash babies towards the “right” way of thinking.

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u/myheartisstillracing Aug 17 '22

He's had no problem kidnapping Ukrainian children, though.

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u/TheNoseKnight Aug 17 '22

Emphasis on children. Children are easy to brainwash.

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u/faultlessdark Aug 17 '22 Silver

In Putins Russia, you go to mail-order bride.

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“brides mail order _you_”

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u/KantBelieveYou Aug 17 '22

“You don’t have to be lonely, at RussiansOnly.com!”

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u/HermanCainsGhost Aug 17 '22

If the country had anything to offer, they could get immigrants into it. But it’s a pretty crap place to live

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u/WilliamMorris420 Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

Its marginally better than some of the neighboring countries like Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. Which have been badly hit by the reduction in remittances (money sent by their citizens back home to their families), since the war began.

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u/jjb1197j Aug 17 '22

Lol I was gonna say exactly this. Western European countries have no problems with this but Russia is such a poor country that no immigrants want to go there, except maybe North Koreans since it’s better.

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u/IronBENGA-BR Aug 17 '22

Actually for a while Russian universities were somewhat popular with foreign students due to relatively low costs and higher educational levels, but this trend started to decline around 2016. Gee, i wonder why...

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u/Fantastic-Chemist177 Aug 17 '22

In fact, there are a huge number of migrants in Russia, they are just people from even poorer countries like Uzbekistan and so on.

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u/DifferentWord7520 Aug 17 '22

Any western man who spends a month in Moscow will be running for Finland after 6 days. Russia isn’t like any place I’ve ever been. I would rather live in New Delhi than Moscow. Saint Petersburg is slightly better than Moscow and a lot closer to Finland.

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u/InternationalBorder9 Aug 17 '22

Sounds like deep down you really just want to live in Finland

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u/DifferentWord7520 Aug 17 '22

Helsinki is a wonderful place.

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u/T1B2V3 Aug 17 '22

well Finland did rank as the happiest country

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u/underthingy Aug 17 '22

Cos they can see Russia, but they ain't Russia.

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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Ah yes, the feared neckbeard battalion. Universally recognizable by their blue fedoras.

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u/ortrademe Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 25 '22

Peter Zeihan is a decent source* for looking at the state of the world through the eyes of demographics and the potential of military and economy. He's been saying Russia is in a demographic disaster for years. I'm sure this war has just hastened the decline.

https://zeihan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/18-russia-population-2020-wnotes-01-scaled.jpg

  • decent for the link between demographics and a country's prosperity. He is a little too focused on how demographics impact a country and seems to think its everything.
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u/amjhwk Aug 17 '22

considering these babies wont be soldiers for at least 14-16 years im not sure how that would help Putin out

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u/Pesco- Aug 17 '22

If you’re planning for decades of conflicts, then it’s useful.

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u/Hevens-assassin Aug 17 '22

My theory is, get them to have 10 kids now, then they can send their fathers to war without having to worry about future population problems.

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u/DaoFerret Aug 17 '22

If you’re expecting to father 10 kids before you get sent to war, you aren’t expecting to go war any time soon (even with several sets of unexpected quadruplets).

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u/putsch80 Aug 17 '22

In most cases, assuming no twins, by the time the 10th child is born the oldest child will almost be old enough to go to war.

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u/Henrys_Bro Aug 17 '22

Sounds dystopia as fuck.

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u/Tech_Adam Aug 17 '22

i dunno end of WW2 it got dropped to 8-10 years, but dont think they were super effective

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u/CakeDayisaLie Aug 17 '22

The government of Alberta in Canada just had an essay contest for women where the third place prize winner suggested awarding medals for births and made a bunch of not so subtle racist / replacement theory references in their “essay”. It fucking sucks.

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u/sunderthebolt Aug 17 '22

So there were only three contestants?

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u/mystexodus Aug 17 '22

Sadly no, there was 4 or 5. They have since retroactively changed the winners.

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u/StageRepulsive8697 Aug 17 '22

$16k is also nothing. Imagine being pregnant for almost a full decade to get that. Plus, obviously needing to raise 10 kids.

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u/StefanL88 Aug 17 '22

Assuming there is ever a payout. Their wounded soldiers aren't getting the compensation they were promised.

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u/Enjoyer_of_Cake Aug 17 '22

This business venture will earn you far more money than any of those poor mothers who believe Putin here.

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u/onilank Aug 17 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Eureka!

We've lost this war, let's prepare for the next.

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u/TryingT0Wr1t3 Aug 17 '22 Helpful

Remindme! 18 Years

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u/FirstEvolutionist Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

18 years gives you one generation only... Closer to 28 years until all the kids can join assuming mothers take an average break of 3 months between pregnancies.

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u/_mach Aug 17 '22 Eureka!

and this would partially explain russias weird 30-year cycle of empire-lust.

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u/ezrs158 Aug 17 '22 Wholesome
  • 1850s - Crimean War
  • 1870s - War in Turkey
  • 1910s - fall of the Tsars/revolution
  • 1949-62 - peak Cold War/Korea/etc.
  • 1979-89 - invasion of Afghanistan
  • 2014-present - invasion of Ukraine

Checks out.

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u/Flomo420 Aug 17 '22 Silver

Are they like the zerg? Replenish their numbers then swarm out? Rinse, repeat.

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u/DistantBeholder Aug 17 '22

Ukraine must construct additional pylons!

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u/beyondthisreality Aug 17 '22 Spit-take

They are like Cicidas, pop out of the muck every decade or two, make an annoying noise for a bit, and then fuck off for another decade or two.

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u/BeeBobMC Aug 17 '22

And--

1994-1995-First Chechen War

1999-2000-2nd Chechen War

2008 - Russo-Georgian War

... And if we're counting "peacekeeping" activities--

2015-Present- Syria

2020-Present- Armenia/Azerbaijian

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u/youngarchivist Aug 17 '22

Dude Afghanistan only got 12 years before the Americans came and ran a train on them too?

Holy fuck. I have no idea why I thought it was so much longer.

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u/ezrs158 Aug 17 '22

Sadly, Afghanistan has been in an almost perpetual state of warfare since at least 1978. The civil war continued after the Soviet withdrawal in 1989, with the Taliban taking power in 1996. The US-led invasion overthrew the Taliban in 2001, but they returned in 2021.

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u/DexM23 Aug 17 '22

Remindme! 28 years

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u/Kierik Aug 17 '22

opsie!

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u/TheTeaSpoon Aug 17 '22

Losing manpower is tight.

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u/mjduce Aug 17 '22

Wow wow wow wow... wow

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u/CuclGooner Aug 17 '22 Hugz

fucking up infrastructure is super easy, barely an inconvenience

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u/mjduce Aug 17 '22

I'm still going to need you to get ALL the way off Putin's back on this one...

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u/cttlkng Aug 17 '22

Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

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u/drLagrangian Aug 17 '22

Now we know the average value of a Russian life is about $1,600.

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u/valgrind_error Aug 17 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

$1600 worth of rubles, which at this point is probably a less useful currency than WoW gold.

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u/Silversquared Aug 17 '22

I don't even play WoW and I value its gold higher than the ruble.

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u/sTroPkIN Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

Currently, $20 gets you 195,094 gold in WoW (changes depending on demand). 1,600 Rubles is approximately $26.45 USD. Russians are worth about 258k WoW gold.

lol edit: Faction Change is $30

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Under the decree issued on Monday, a one-off payment of one million rubles ($16,400) will be "awarded to a mother who is a citizen of the Russian Federation, who has given birth to and brought up ten or more children who are citizens of the Russian Federation.

Soo... 15,997,708 WoW Gold OR about a 10-year subscription.

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u/Internal_Vanilla_467 Aug 17 '22

When you factor in that the mother will be killed by it, you can subtract 145.5$

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u/Amelaclya1 Aug 17 '22

Seriously. Women aren't machines that you insert sperm into and out comes a baby. Each pregnancy can do lasting damage to a woman's body.

Risk of complications increases with each subsequent pregnancy, especially if they are done too close together.

https://www.cnn.com/2011/11/01/health/multiple-pregnancies-mother

Using women's bodys like that to replenish a population that you willingly sacrificed in a pointless and unjust war is fucking disgusting. I guess I have to give them credit that they aren't forcing it (yet), but still. Expecting women to go through that much trauma only to probably see their children die 25 years from now on the next war should be worth waaaay more than $16k.

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u/HipHobbes Aug 17 '22

What a cheapskate. Hitler awarded something at four children. Back to dictator school then!

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u/Bemxuu Aug 17 '22

That’s how it is now. Families are paid whenever a child is born. I assume $16k is a bonus for tenth.

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u/Shasve Aug 17 '22

16k for something that takes like 8 years to happen is a pretty shitty bonus

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u/dhhdhh851 Aug 17 '22

Thats why you gotta speedrun it and have 10 children all at once.

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u/lycvnthropy Aug 17 '22

Octomom is quaking.

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u/beakrake Aug 17 '22

They get an extra $4k if they take them to Ukraine for "special training exercises" before grade school.

...Man, I'm being facetious, but I'm upset just typing that because it's probably not far from the truth...

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u/ThatOneKrazyKaptain Aug 17 '22

That wasn’t nearly as weird at the time either. That was like….one extra above the norm

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u/M4573R_CH33F Aug 17 '22

Like he promised to pay his soldiers In ukraine lol

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u/Chris_Hemsworth Aug 17 '22

If they dead, they won't complain about missing paycheques.

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u/wordholes Aug 17 '22

Dead? Your husband not dead. Your husband ran away [chucks bodies into mobile crematorium] so we don't pay even single potato.

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u/BillionTonsHyperbole Aug 17 '22 Silver hehehehe

Hey, Vlad. It's a vagina, not a clown car.

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u/SteveBrucesDressSize Aug 17 '22

Vagina pronounced the way trump says "China"

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u/AnActualChicken Aug 17 '22 That Smile

Or if you know who Chris Chan is, how he used 'China' as a replacement word for 'vagina'

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u/Theearthhasnoedges Aug 17 '22

Recently fell down that rabbit hole and marathoned the YT doc about them. What a fucking ride. Never even had a chance...

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u/martinkoistinen Aug 17 '22 Silver

Putin promises…

I’m gonna stop you right there.

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u/elijuicyjones Aug 17 '22 Silver

Even Hitler wasn't that cheap. It costs four times that just to put ten kids in braces. I guess he means for them to be dead by age 18.

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u/beeeerbaron Aug 17 '22

Cannon fodder doesn’t need braces

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u/realjoeydood Aug 17 '22

It is not hyperbole by any means to state that this exact move was done by the Nazis.

There were even medals awarded for this.

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u/MadCapHorse Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

Umm, in addition to the Hitler vibes, it will take her at MINIMUM 10 years to have that number of children. She’s going to spend multiple times that amount raising all of those kids to adulthood. They’ve got to wait a decade for a payout that won’t surpass what she will spend on the kids. This isn’t even appealing.

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u/Ihrai Aug 17 '22

Also kinda taxing on the body, if the woman isn't able to access top notch nutrition and medical support.

Looking at it purely economically (not saying I think it's a good thing)... If someone is so poor that they consider doing this to their body for lousy 16K, they might as well consider becoming a surrogate mom once or twice for rich people somewhere outside of Russia. Pays much better and usually health care is paid for by the want-to-be parents.

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u/TitsAndGeology Aug 17 '22

Ten babies

Kinda taxing on the body

I know this was meant in good faith but it's the understatement of the century haha

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u/Ihrai Aug 17 '22

Yeah, true. Even one child can be taxing and damage the body of the mother permanently.

Too many forget that a pregnancy drains the body.

Too many, especially politicians, think we women can birth babies like a PEZ dispenser without any consequences on our health. So they demand it as if it is an easy task -_-

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u/TaiCat Aug 17 '22

Not kinda, and you can’t never guess which pregnancy may end up with a c-section or other emergency. My doc discouraged me from having kids after 3 c-sections because of an increased risk of uterus rupture. Can’t imagine a Russian woman in this baby race who let’s herself get pregnant after multiple c-sections and then something like this happens …

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u/Ihrai Aug 17 '22

That on top of it. And I doubt that many Russian women have access to good medical treatment.

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u/AmeliaJane920 Aug 17 '22

Ideally you'd wait 18 months between birth and conception. As someone who recently had two kids 15 months apart, I am STILL dealing with health issues (hair loss, tooth loss, vitamin deficiencies, C-section healing, all my nails have broken down past my nail beds, not to mention weight and muscle changes) 6 months later. And I had 'easy/healthy' pregnancies with full access to doctors and nutritious foods. This doesn't sound appealing at all and I'd argue it will lead to an astounding number of women's deaths and miscarriages.

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u/nerd4code Aug 17 '22

Also likely suicides, since postpartum depression is reasonably common.

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u/Big_Silver_9686 Aug 17 '22

I went to Russia to have ten babies and all I got was this lousy maternal fatality.

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u/LeavesCat Aug 17 '22

Well, it could be faster in theory if you account for twins.

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u/DozenYearBride Aug 17 '22

This also works if you’ve already had and raised 10 Russian citizens so good for the already existing mothers of that many kids I guess? Maybe moms with nine kids might consider one more, but otherwise totally not worth it.

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u/Mornar Aug 17 '22

And that's quite a few opportunities to die in childbirth so with luck noone will be there to demand the money at all! It's a foolproof scheme!

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u/Master_Hicks Aug 17 '22

If anybody has read the book World War Z, not the movie, something similar happens. The Russians bleed countless men to retake the motherland, and after creating a autocratic theocracy, women are basically used as baby making cattle. One of the interviews is with a women who is part of it. Super dark and always stuck with me as the most Russian way to handle the situation.

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u/MagpieRhymes Aug 17 '22

This was my first thought as well. Terrifying stuff.

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u/fordilG Aug 17 '22

Knew this reminded me of something.

Thanks for confirming I’m not crazy ( at least about this).

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u/pfeifits Aug 17 '22

$1.6 k per child? You'd use that up on diapers in the first year. Bad deal, Russian women.

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u/Mentalpatient87 Aug 17 '22

Seriously, that payout reminds me of the Trailer Park Boys heists where they think they're going to retire in luxury off like 30 grand between the three of them.

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u/Dalearnhardtseatbelt Aug 17 '22

You mean that time they planned to split their earnings 50-50-50 to keep it fair.

Just water under the fridge now.

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u/Extension_Bug382 Aug 17 '22

Remember - never trust Russia!

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u/xBram Aug 17 '22

16,000 rubles pinky promise!

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u/comtruiselife Aug 17 '22

Russian mothers, the world offers you much more for a dead Putin.

"I sent your sons to die in war. I will give you a few thousand dollars if you have 10 more!"

If Putin was dead you might still have your boys.

Think about all the other mothers who will have their sons forced into an incompetent military to die for nothing.

Better to just serve Putin his death, as soon as possible.

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u/Ceramicrabbit Aug 17 '22

$1.6k per child seems insultingly low

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u/EmployerAdditional28 Aug 17 '22

Yep he needs more cannon fodder. 10 kids? 16k won't go far even in Russia. That kind of level of shit has got to be worth 160k at least....

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u/socialistrob Aug 17 '22

It’s not the cannon fodder but the ratio of workers to retirees. According to Ukrainian estimates about 43k Russian troops have been killed. Even if you triple this number that’s still only about .13 million dead Russians in a country with a country of 144.1 million people.

The bigger issue is that Russia is facing a demographic crunch and doesn’t have the workers needed to support the aging population. To make matters worse Europe is shifting away from Russian oil and gas meaning a huge source of revenue is about to decline and talented workers aren’t exactly beating down the door to immigrate to Russia. In fact when the war began there was an exodus of Russians fleeing the country. If Russia can’t get their birthrate it will be hard for them to have enough tax revenue to support their government and elderly and it will make Russia even less attractive for foreign invwstment.

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u/c_lowc6 Aug 17 '22

To be honest that isn’t a lot lol. Perhaps in Russia, but to put your body through hell at least 10 times for half of a minimum wage salary in America? I don’t think so.

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u/KeiserSoze24 Aug 17 '22

Or try not killing off your youth in a stupid war.

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u/LordTwatSlapper Aug 17 '22 edited Aug 17 '22

In other words: "We're going to lose so many men fighting nonsensical wars that we'll need our women to act like soldier-producing gumball machines."

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u/throwawaysexyboy2U Aug 17 '22

You can literally make that same amount of money by having a job for a whole year without having any single child.

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u/angrygeeknc Aug 17 '22

Translation: I've been playing a lot of StarCraft lately and I have an idea how to win our conflicts.

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u/CraftyFoxeYT Aug 17 '22

He's going mass Queens to larvae inject.

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u/Datapunkt Aug 17 '22

If you properly care for your children and their future, they will cost a lot more which means only poor idiots will get motivated by this who will produce more poor idiots.

Poor idiots is what's needed to keep a dictatorship running.

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u/Beautiful-Try-3365 Aug 17 '22

Russia has extremely low birth rate their population has been contracting in size. Saw a report that analyzed birth rates of many countries. Russia China USA and western Europe's citizen birth rates are way down compared to death rates....populations all over are contracting except in third world areas.

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u/GrumpyGenX Aug 17 '22

But the US and many European countries maintain "fairly" healthy demographics due to immigration. NO ONE is moving to Russia/China. China's population has already started contracting, and Russia's population is nearing freefall.

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u/SocialistMoms Aug 17 '22

You couldn’t pay me 1mil to have ten children

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cannon fodder

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u/Sekkitheblade Aug 17 '22

Hitler vibes

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u/ZeistyZeistgeist Aug 17 '22

Worse. Ceaucesceu vibes. He was obsessed with demographics and did the same fucking thing, except women who bore 10 children had a title called Heroine Mothers.

His Decree 770 is the reason why Romania is the most pro-choice country in Europe, especially once the revelations about Cighid came about. Not to mention, contraceptives were made illegal, gynecologist check-ups were mandatory, and any miscarriage reported would grant a visit from the Securitate.

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u/Scared-Ingenuity9082 Aug 17 '22

Heroin mothers is the literally what this is being called in Russia as per the article this is an old bar created by Stalin that was discontinued in the 90s which Putin is bringing back to the table

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u/asymon Aug 17 '22

Abortion rate in Russia is highest in the World.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_abortion_statistics

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u/UnhappyTumbleweed966 Aug 17 '22

Holy crap, USSR had an estimated 269 million abortions. Thats a hard number to put into perspective.

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u/Tiny_Rat Aug 17 '22

It gets much easier to put in perspective when you consider that a) other forms of birth control were hard to access in the USSR, and b) abortion was much more available than elsewhere in the world

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u/therussiantoker95 Aug 17 '22

he is gone beyond saving. we need to send in a seal team to take him out.

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