r/worldnews Sep 24 '22 Wholesome 1 Wholesome Seal of Approval 1 Silver 2 [deleted] 1

Putin signs law stipulating ten years behind bars for desertion and surrender Russia/Ukraine

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/24/7368918/
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u/CompetitiveEditor336 Sep 24 '22

What's the prison term for starting a war and committing crimes against humanity.

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u/Dynast_King Sep 24 '22

Believe it or not, zero days in prison!

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u/DrarenThiralas Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

According to article 353 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation:

  1. Planning, preparing or inciting a war of aggression - punished by imprisonment for a term of 7 to 15 years.

  2. Waging a war of aggression - punished by imprisonment for a term of 10 to 20 years.

Article 356:

  1. Cruelty towards prisoners of war or civilians, deportation of civilians, conducting robbery on occupied territory, using methods during armed conflict that are forbidden by an international agreement signed by the Russian Federation - punished by imprisonment for up to 20 years.

Article 357:

  1. Actions directed towards total or partial destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group through killing members of said group, causing severe harm to their health, forcibly preventing reproduction, forcibly adopting out children, forced relocation, or other methods of creating circumstances for the physical destruction of the group - punished by either 12 to 20 years of imprisonment with an additional 2 years of parole, life imprisonment, or death.

These would be just some of the crimes Putin could be charged with, if Russia actually had independent courts.

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u/Remeddik Sep 25 '22

But also, in Russia the president has immunity. Even after the presidency ends and after the presidency can become a senator for life. These things were added in 2020 to the constitution

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u/sjakkpila Sep 25 '22

How convenient!

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u/pongnguy Sep 24 '22

Isn't Russia recruiting from prisons? Does this mean they will now have more soldiers to recruit? 🤔

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u/eddiekwaipa Sep 24 '22 Vibing

Infinite soldiers

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u/AnapleRed Sep 24 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

Free world leaders hate this simple trick!

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u/Admirable_Elk_965 Sep 24 '22

Big brain time!

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Imagine being a prisoner in Russia and being offered to fight the war or go to prison... bunch of guys about to be like 'nah - I'm good, going to sit this one out '

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u/bondben314 Sep 24 '22

You make it sound like they have a choice.

You good? Okay well I’m going to beat you every day until you either die or agree to fight.

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u/Possiblyreef Sep 24 '22

"OK, just gimme the gun"

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u/plipyplop Sep 24 '22

Oh, here you go... waaait a minute!

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u/KFPiece_of_Peace Sep 24 '22

Aww shucks I almost got ya! 🤭

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u/plipyplop Sep 24 '22

Haha, you lovable cannibal scamp you!

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u/invisiblechain Sep 24 '22 Silver

Somehow I wandered into a Family Guy cutaway.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

'beat you every day until you either die or agree to fight'

I'm not sure their front line is doing any different.

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u/Timemyth Sep 24 '22

I imagine those prisoners be more like this:

Enter Ukraine with ethnic minorities who aren't happy with the war, he kills CO and be like "We escaping now or what?"

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u/KnottyKitty Sep 24 '22

I've never been in a Russian prison, but I'm pretty sure they do more than offer chairs.

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u/ihavenolifeee Sep 24 '22

Infinite recruits cheat code

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u/smartypants420 Sep 24 '22

Jail hack from those with more than 10 sentences. Join, Desert and get thrown back in jail but instead of 30 years it is only 10 now

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u/WaywardSon8534 Sep 24 '22

Yeah, if you’re going to die in prison anyway, there’s a chance you make the border to Poland.

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u/Leather_Boots Sep 24 '22

The Ukrainians captured 1 dude that only had a year or so left on his sentence. He volunteered, had a week of training and he surrendered a week later.

Then offered to fight in the Russian Legion against the Russians. (So he claimed in the video).

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u/thegodfatherderecho Sep 24 '22

What’s Putin’s plan to replace the commissioned officers when they get fragged?

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u/Verbal_Combat Sep 24 '22 Helpful

Good news Comrade Putin, after frag grenade, one officer has now become many officers, surely now we will win.

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u/WankSocrates Sep 24 '22

"Every day our number of officers grows! We are now truly unstoppable!"

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u/northshore12 Sep 24 '22

Numbers grow, yet total mass remains constant. You can't explain that!

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u/joe2596 Sep 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Putin should hire the window that's been killing everyone to join the army.

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u/TheDemonHauntedWorld Sep 24 '22 Wholesome

Also the stairs.

That double team is unstoppable.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome Ally

The killings will continue until morale improves.

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u/ohlayohlay Sep 24 '22

It's amazing how many of his advisories and heads of govt and their families around him have died from suicide/ murder suicide

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u/AmbulanceChaser12 Sep 24 '22

Morale must be amazing.

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u/PeterNguyen2 Sep 24 '22

Morale must be amazing.

How could you not feel good when you're so well equipped

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u/Yoshoku Sep 24 '22

What’s the reason behind this? Did he only allocate 15% of supplies believing the army can do it with that and go screw it your not getting anymore? Or is this what all Russian equipment is like?

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u/james_d_rustles Sep 24 '22 Helpful

Well, when 10 million dollars was allocated for this unit’s weapons, the purchaser ordered 8 million worth of weapons. When control of the weapons was given to the colonel, he took the 7 million worth of weapons and distributed it amongst 4 captains. Each of the four captains received the 1 million worth of weapons, and dropped them off at the arsenal. Each arsenal’s armorer received the 500,000 worth of weapons, and when they realized that the 250,000 dollars worth of weapons wouldn’t be enough to supply all of the soldiers, they realized they’d have to start giving out the rusted old ones instead.

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u/james_d_rustles Sep 25 '22

Private yuri, who was drafted 3 weeks ago. He’ll be sentenced to 30 years of hard labor for his crime against the motherland.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

People like to talk shit about America but let me tell you what, despite the corruption that most certainly exists, I had a bowl of soft serve ice cream with cookie crumble on top at a chow tent while at Camp Leatherneck. Think about how ridiculous it is that in the middle of a military base in an active warzone I got to enjoy a bowl of soft serve. Now look at those Russian rifles one more time.

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u/jingerninja Sep 25 '22

I mean you spend more than like a bunch of countries combined I'd be almost disappointed if that didn't come with nuclear powered battleships, air superiority and on-post soft serve. I bet you get the full sat TV package at FOBs too.

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u/Lucius-Halthier Sep 24 '22

I wonder if he will announce the “not one step back order” before they are pushed back to their own borders or after

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u/BondCharacterNamePun Sep 24 '22

It’s wild how he inherited a Russia which was feared militarily. All he had to do was literally nothing and people would have continued to think Russia was a superpower.

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u/Candlelighter Sep 24 '22

I like the Chernobyl quote by Mikhail Gorbachev: "our power comes from the perception of our power."

It's highly accurate even today, and limited not only to Russia. Power resides where people think it resides.

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u/PolygonMan Sep 24 '22

Only as long as the systems which provide that perception of power aren't actually tested.

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u/obeyyourbrain Sep 24 '22 Wholesome

...While he hides away in a mountain retreat.

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u/lilrabbitfoofoo Sep 24 '22 Gold

Brave brave Sir Robin!!!

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u/wayfarout Sep 24 '22

"When danger reared it's ugly head he bravely turned his tail and fled."

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u/Walk_Run_Skip Sep 24 '22

"Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about and gallantly he chickened out!"

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u/lizardking99 Sep 24 '22

He was not in the least bit scared

To be mashed into a pulp.

Or to have his eyes gouged out,

And his elbows broken.

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u/reborngoat Sep 25 '22

To have his kneecaps split and his body burned away...
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Robin!

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u/Asil_Shamrock Sep 25 '22

His head smashed in and his heart cut out

And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged

And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off

And his pen-

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u/forevertexas Sep 25 '22

That’s enough music for now, lads!

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u/styles1996 Sep 25 '22

There's dirty work afoot.

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u/Pumpkin_Creepface Sep 24 '22

"Bravely taking to his feet, he beat a very brave retreat!"

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u/geo_gan Sep 24 '22

I never!!!

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u/goderdammurang Sep 24 '22

He's buggered off!

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u/ChronosTheSniper Sep 24 '22

So he has, he's scarpered!

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u/another_know_it_all Sep 24 '22

He was not the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp! Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken! He was not the least bit scared to be killed in nasty ways, brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin!

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u/Original_DILLIGAF Sep 24 '22 hehehehe

To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away; And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Robin!

His head smashed in and his heart cut out And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off And his pen--

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u/do_add_unicorn Sep 24 '22

I never!

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u/leenpaws Sep 24 '22

bravely ran awaaayyyy!!

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u/GregTheMad Sep 24 '22

When danger reared it's ugly head;

He bravely turned his tail and fled.

Yes, brave Sir Putin turned about;

And gallantly he chickened out.

Bravely taking to his feet;

He beat a very brave retreat.

bravest of the brave; Sir Putin.

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u/tovarish22 Sep 24 '22

That's, uh, that's enough music for now, lads...

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u/Officer412-L Sep 24 '22

In the frozen land of Nador, they were forced to eat Putin's minstrels…and there was much rejoicing.

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u/tovarish22 Sep 24 '22

Yaaay...

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u/pressedbread Sep 24 '22

Has he even visited the Front Lines yet? I've only seen him in media at some public appearance opening a Ferris Wheel, and some other stupid shit.

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u/pikachu191 Sep 24 '22 Helpful

Hope that’s a rhetorical question. Where would he put his super-long table on the front lines?

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u/imbagels Sep 24 '22 Wholesome

Just keep extending the table till it's at the front line

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u/MannerAlarming6150 Sep 24 '22

American Presidents visit the front lines because they are protected by the US Military, widely considered a damn good military.

The Russian President would need to be protected by the Russian military. Would you risk it?

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u/gnutrino Sep 24 '22

The Russian President would need to be protected by the Russian military

At this point I think the Russian President would need to be protected from the Russian military in that scenario.

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u/DDELFIERRO Sep 24 '22

“Oh, no… felled by a sniper’s bullet!!!”

both Russian & Ukrainian forces look at each other, shrug, and deny taking the shot

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u/random1001011 Sep 24 '22

He tripped and fell. Yep, that's the cause of death.

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u/pikachu191 Sep 24 '22

Find a window at the front line

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u/random1001011 Sep 24 '22

Soldier! Why are you carrying a wind--oh shit.

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u/ifuckedyourgf Sep 24 '22

It would be kind of embarrassing if he visited the front lines and then died.

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u/pressedbread Sep 24 '22

I imagine one really really long tank rolling up all inconspicuous

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u/meta_paf Sep 24 '22

Looong loong maaaaAAAAaaaannn.

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u/Loftz0r Sep 24 '22

Apparently this is what counts as a public appearance for him.

This is some Kafkian level shit. Like you have to ask yourself, "Am I fucking dreaming?" This is supposedly the leader of a country who boasts like 80% support from the population. How is he not laughed the fuck out of his palaces? Beats me.

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u/WrastleGuy Sep 24 '22

Because that person would get killed or ten years of prison.

A nation of 140 million and they’re all scared of a very small group of people. Take back your country Russians. Don’t die for these losers.

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u/i-am-a-rock Sep 24 '22

A very small group of people is more than a million of people paid and equipped to protect Putin - police forces, FSB and other similar structures.

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u/tjyolol Sep 24 '22

How to say I’m a paranoid bitch with out saying I’m a paranoid bitch

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u/Bright-Ad-4737 Sep 24 '22

Of course not. Remember, he was a mid-level KGB/FSB agent in his pre-political career. What was he doing? Who knows, the records are all destroyed, but he could have just been doing paperwork and fetching coffee in Dresden. He was never really a soldier. Probably why he's so obsessed with the "tough guy" persona.

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u/NNKarma Sep 24 '22

Honestly at this point the tough guy persona seem to be a requisite to maintain the cult of personality authoritarian governments need more than a characteristic of the leader.

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u/abutthole Sep 24 '22

If he goes to the front lines Zelenskyy's boys will probably pop him.

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u/boringdude00 Sep 24 '22

I don't imagine he's particularly keen to hang out with a bunch of his own disgruntled soldiers with lots of weapons. 'Oh no, I accidentally called in a heavy artillery strike on the wrong position.'

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u/AJ099909 Sep 24 '22

Thing is, the Russians are so poorly trained it might be a genuine accident.

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u/halipatsui Sep 24 '22

He knowa western intelligence is so good he would get himarsed the second he sets foot to the frontlines

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u/DarthNihilus_501st Sep 24 '22

That's not even it at this point.

His own soldiers probably hate him more than the Ukranians. Him going to the front lines to raise morale would bite him in the ass so hard.

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u/Verified765 Sep 24 '22

Well if he expired on the front lines that would probably raise moral.

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u/bakerzero86 Sep 24 '22

Surround by armed guards and ridiculously long tables, because he fears everyone around him due to his idiotic and murderous policies.

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u/thisisntshakespeare Sep 24 '22

He probably even has a taster to check his food/drink for poison.

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u/Sgt_Stinger Sep 24 '22

Not sure where I read this so take it with a whole bucket of salt, but I think he has three of them.

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u/lexbuck Sep 24 '22

Image being those people. Christ

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u/chicaneuk Sep 24 '22

Right? Takes a big man to sit behind that desk, throwing his teddies out of the pram.

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u/The_Sensitive_Psycho Sep 24 '22

Deep down he’s a pussy

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u/big_nothing_burger Sep 24 '22

Hopefully deep down he's riddled with cancer.

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u/abutthole Sep 24 '22

Cancer's been an asshole forever, it'd be awesome if it could do us this favor just once.

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u/LittleKitty235 Sep 24 '22

Cancer is such an asshole that if he has it, it is probably somehow keeping him alive longer.

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u/dub-fresh Sep 24 '22

I hope he dies for the sake of ending this war, but should it go on, I would love to see him stand trial. Not take a suicide pill like some pansy

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u/abutthole Sep 24 '22

That's not really a real option. The war will end with either Russia conquering Ukraine or Russia leaving Ukraine and Ukraine maintaining sovereignty. Ukraine isn't planning to invade Russia and hold their leaders accountable for war crimes.

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u/DeeJayDelicious Sep 24 '22

Cancer hasn't taken Mitch Mcconnel or Rupert Murdoch. Don't count on cancer solving this.

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u/YouJabroni44 Sep 24 '22

Took two of my perfectly nice grandparents though, the worst ones always live

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

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u/Optimus_Prime_Day Sep 24 '22

Pretty sure he's a pussy on the surface too.

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u/azriel_odin Sep 24 '22 Silver

Fun fact: in my language his name sound a lot like our word for cunt. Often when people want to insult him they make a portmanteau of his name and cunt. Путин(Putin) mixed with путка(cunt phonetically putka) becomes Путкин(Putkin).

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u/grazerbat Sep 24 '22

Works in French too.

Putain literally means whore, but it's equivalent to Fuck in English.

Loved hearing my French girlfriend swearing at other drivers: putain de merde!

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u/Eternaloid_Nirvash Sep 24 '22

Works in Spanish too. Puta / puto = female/male prostitute. Putín = little male prostitute

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 Helpful

In my language he's a dumb bitch.

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u/Obtuse-Angel Sep 24 '22

He’s a dumb bitch in every language.

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u/NorthAstronaut Sep 24 '22

In America it sounds like poo tin.

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u/LandOfTheOutlaws Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

In Canada it sounds like Poutine

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u/do_add_unicorn Sep 24 '22

What is your language?

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u/azriel_odin Sep 24 '22

Bulgarian.

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u/grammarty Sep 24 '22

Lol I saw your comment about putkin and wondered if you're bulgarian or another slavic languages has that pun work

  • hi from another bulgarian
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u/Vegan_Honk Sep 24 '22

deep down, surface level, behind a 3 block table.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Pussy is too kind, he's an asshole. Dirty uncleaned asshole.

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u/ComfySingularity Sep 24 '22

He's a parasite, through and through.

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u/wildweaver32 Sep 24 '22

President Zelensky: I need ammo, not a ride

Putin: Forget everything, I need to hide.

Also Putin: If you Russians hide ten years in jail

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u/AnxiouslyPessimistic Sep 24 '22 Silver Gold To The Stars

Nothing says “our army is doing well” quite like a decree to imprison deserters

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u/dark_star88 Sep 24 '22

That’s what I don’t get though, wouldn’t you have better chances in prison than on the front line abandoned and ill equipped?

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u/AnxiouslyPessimistic Sep 24 '22

I’d imagine in Russia a prison term isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Probably end up dying in jail

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u/Lord_Silverkey Sep 24 '22

Yeah, 10 years in a Russian prison sounds pretty bad.

Better to join up then look for a way to surrender to the Ukrainians.

I don't know what the terms are now, but when the war started Ukraine was offering full amnesty and 5 million roubles (~$100,000USD) to Russian soldiers who voluntarily surrendered.

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u/AnxiouslyPessimistic Sep 24 '22

Jeez that seems hella expensive if they surrendered en mass. Then again so is fighting a war

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u/Lord_Silverkey Sep 24 '22 Take My Energy

The war is definitely more expensive.

For reference, if the entire original Russian force of 300,000 men had surrended it would have cost Ukraine $30 Billion, but the war would have ended instantly.

To date the war has cost Ukraine over $120 Billion, and rebuilding what has been destoyed would have an estimated cost of over $200 Billion.

$30 Billion is a lot less than $320 Billion.

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u/AS14K Sep 24 '22

Plus you get a presumably working age male to join your country to hopefully work and help rebuild any losses

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u/Aquiffer Sep 24 '22

And in this case a working age male who already speaks your language and is somewhat familiar with your culture

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u/JarJarB Sep 24 '22

And who literally owes you his life and will, in theory, be eternally grateful.

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u/BenSemisch Sep 24 '22

That doesn't even factor in the medical cost for all your wounded and disabled as well as possible pension pay-outs to families of those KIA. That doesn't even start to add up the welfare paid out to civilian casualties or just the loss of productivity from the mental trauma caused for the next generation or so.

30 Billion is a steal. Especially if they can saddle part of that bill onto Russia for reparations.

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u/AnxiouslyPessimistic Sep 24 '22

To be honest the rebuilding figure seems oddly low considering just how much damage Russia seems to have inflicted!

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u/pm_me_your_smth Sep 24 '22

Weren't those 5 mil if they surrender with equipment, e.g. a tank?

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u/chemicalgeekery Sep 24 '22

There was a bounty for surrendering and an additional bounty if they surrendered a piece of equipment. IIRC a tank was an additional $50K, a helicopter was $500K and an aircraft was $1M

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u/Nubcake_Jake Sep 24 '22

Looking at the cost of ammunition for AT and AA weapons and munitions, that's actually a great deal. Especially as an enemy surrendering doesn't come with the same risk of casualties.

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u/WellReadDuck Sep 24 '22

Deserting is a crime for soldiers, period. Even in the US military. Of course it becomes more upsetting when the war is unjust and the soldiers unwilling.

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u/Rpgwaiter Sep 24 '22

You can still be put to death for wartime desertion in the US military

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u/Magicmechanic103 Sep 24 '22 Silver

Technically yes, but no one has invoked that sentence at least for as long as anyone in the US military has been alive. American deserters today just get a warrant put out for them. When they get caught they go to jail for maybe a few weeks to a couple months and then get dishonorably discharged.

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u/CACTUS_VISIONS Sep 24 '22

Yeah I had a buddy who went awol because he got called up to piss in a cup and he was injecting OxyContin into his veins and new he would fail.

He was on the run for like 6 months. Us martials the whole 9 yards.

He eventually turned himself in because his social was flagged and he knew he could never get a job or apply for a loan or any normal human shit.

He spent 2 months in the brig, field grade article 15, dishonorable discharge.

Doing well now actually

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u/overlordpotatoe Sep 24 '22

Good thing he turned himself in when he did. Can you imagine spending years running and then you find out it could have all been over with after a couple of months locked up?

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u/TheBirminghamBear Sep 24 '22

There's also a lot of fucked up things about militaries across the world, but there is a level of pragmatism here.

If you're in a war, and you desert, you have information that could compromise or kill everyone you were stationed with.

How does the military know whether you've left to join the enemy or just leave? And even if you don't intend to aid the adversary, if they capture you they can extract information that will directly lead to the lives of your compatriots.

All that said, the fact we continue to put humans in this position to begin with, and almost always for pointless fucking reasons, is the origination of all this sin.

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u/AmericanPolyglot Sep 24 '22

This dude is pathetic, punishing his own countrymen for standing up for themselves and just trying to have normal fucking lives that don't involve being used as cannon fodder.

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u/That_Kiefer_Man Sep 24 '22 Silver

How long till one of his own takes him out?

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u/dragn99 Sep 24 '22 Silver Wholesome

They're working on developing a rifle with enough range to clear his tables.

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u/Effective-Farmer-502 Sep 24 '22

He’s probably having meetings with them from a different building instead of that long table.

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u/green_meklar Sep 24 '22

Of all the reasons to switch to WFH, avoiding getting assassinated by your coworkers wasn't one I'd thought of before...

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u/KungFuFlames Sep 24 '22

It's crazy how Russian leaders are always finding a way to doom their own people.

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u/BravesMaedchen Sep 24 '22

Russian leaders have been slaughtering Russians for what, centuries? Long history of brutal leaders.

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u/pelfinho Sep 24 '22

It’s called greed

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u/WingsofSky Sep 24 '22

Idiots are always wanting to destroy themselves and everyone else.

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u/Explicit_Tech Sep 24 '22

Dude really wants to be the villain in history.

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u/GoodKarma70 Sep 24 '22 I Shy

So if you go to Ukraine you die. If you run, you likely get caught, jailed and die. If you surrender, you may survive then get caught by the FSB and die. Russia has essentially guaranteed it's loss. Nice! 🇺🇦💪

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u/Ramental Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

You can surrender and request to not be returned to the country of origin.

Ukraine already said that's a part of Geneva convention and it promises to follow it.

So one can escape FSB, but yeah, if someone like that tries to return to Russia after the war - straight to jail.

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u/Yankee_Juliet Sep 24 '22

Yeah, he’s actually making a better case for deserters to request asylum eventually.

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u/Noble-saw-Robot Sep 24 '22

Is that enough of a threat to the person for asylum to be granted?

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u/bitRescue Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

If not they can always sign up to fight for Ukraine. There is already a russian legion in the Ukrainian army. I believe that they are granted citizenship after their service.

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u/laffman Sep 24 '22

Putin's masterplan to russify Ukraine: Force russians to go to war and kill them, have the russians desert and fight for Ukraine and kill russians in return for Ukrainian citizenship after the war. Congratulations you have settled russians in ukraine lol

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u/Ramental Sep 24 '22

Look for

E. Paragraph 3: Prohibition on repatriating prisoners of war against their will

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/Comment.xsp?action=openDocument&documentId=2B253B4BD71434D7C12585850041D215#_Toc42499630

In short, there is no "Asylum" or similar status that is promised, and the final solution can be made on case-by-case basis, but the wish of POWs to not be returned back should be respected. Whether it is Asylum, transfer to 3rd party countries or other options is up to Ukraine to decide,

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u/caboosetp Sep 24 '22

the final solution can be made on case-by-case basis

Probably not the best phrase to use for this

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u/realmastodon2 Sep 24 '22

Russia also guaranteed pissed off Russians have access to guns. I expect to see more internal incidents involving fires and explosions.

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u/levlucheech Sep 24 '22

Yeah like, one of the main factors that determines a militaries probability for success is will. How much will could these Russian soldiers have? What's their motivation? Because Mr Dictator says so? Fuck that!

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u/cbbuntz Sep 24 '22

The beatings will continue until morale improves

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u/cfeyer Sep 24 '22

Well crap, sounds like their best bet is to risk dying while overthrowing Putin.

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u/PatriotuNo1 Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

If you refuse to go in Ukraine you go straight to jail but I don't think you would die. And if you surrender I think you can ask them to not have you returned back and let them know you are not brainwashed. But this plan may not work unless well... you survive.

I don't think Putin will fall in the near future. His successor may aswell be an extremist because most of the Russian politicians are corrupted and nationalist. If you end up in jail you may have your sentence even extended. Chances Russia turns democratic and releases you in few years are low to nothing. In case you cannot escape from enrollment best case scenario you surrender and not return back.

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u/phred_666 Sep 24 '22

Why don’t he drag his ass down to the front lines to show them how it’s done.

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u/Absenceofavoid Sep 24 '22

This is hilarious. A Russian soldier surrenders and can expect a ten year prison sentence back home when he’s released? Talk about a way to make sure a lot of prisoners never seek to return home and hate your government with a passion.

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u/entered_bubble_50 Sep 24 '22

It's also really odd, given how Russia has been making so many prisoner exchanges with Ukraine. After this, no Russian POW will agree to be exchanged.

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u/octahexx Sep 24 '22

Russians knows what a russian jail means and chooses gamble on the front instead,thats says something,better odds to survive a war then 10 years in their jail system.

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u/angelcake Sep 24 '22

From what we’ve seen so far of his poor conscripts, men up to 60 years old for fucks sake, who are gonna receive two weeks training before going to the front, desertion or surrender might be the only chance they have of survival. This is like the Nazis at the end of World War II. Putin is gonna wipe out at least a couple generations of Russian men.

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u/Shiftyboss Sep 25 '22

The retirement age in Russia on 61.5.

Imagine being 18 months from retirement, after a lifetime of work, only to be sent to the front lines of a war.

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u/Ghostusn Sep 24 '22

Sounds very like stalins order 227. Retreat you die basically

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u/SendEldritchHorrors Sep 24 '22

At least with Stalin, that order was issued after the USSR was invaded by the Nazis. Here, it's Putin doing the invading.

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u/Singer211 Sep 24 '22

Also that order was primarily aimed at officers ordering constant retreats. As ruthless as it was, there was at least SOME basis for it.

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u/Kendertas Sep 24 '22

Yeah eastern front is complicated because those early suicidal counterattacks and last stands did somewhat serve a greater strategic purpose. Hopefully we will never see the like because the eastern front was truly no hold bar modern warfare on a superpower scale.

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u/caboosetp Sep 24 '22

The justification was if they retreated too much, they'd lose access to too many resources in those areas. They were claiming the be combating propaganda that there was plenty of land to retreat into.

Overall it was supposed to improve morale and it ... uhhh... didn't. It did a very bad job at that.

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u/smerglec Sep 24 '22

More signs that the war is going totally fine.

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u/historiansrule Sep 24 '22

At this point his entire civilian army is just going to switch sides and then Ukrainians would debate whether or not to annex Russia.

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u/NarrMaster Sep 24 '22

Petition to call the new region of Ukraine, "The Russia"

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u/_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_ Sep 24 '22

The Kievan Rus takes Moscow.

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u/Tulip_Todesky Sep 24 '22

At this point you’d think he is a foreign agent destroying Russia from within

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u/NicNoletree Sep 24 '22

How many years, for war crimes, will Putin get?

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u/tokeiito14 Sep 24 '22

As many as Hitler did, I guess

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u/itsnickk Sep 24 '22

I doubt he will ever see jail in any scenario

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u/dutchy015 Sep 24 '22

Fight till the death or we kill you our self

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u/Little_Creme_5932 Sep 24 '22

French soldiers in WWI often bleated like sheep as they marched to the front. (In Verdun, they literally marched on slaughterhouse road, which was where the bleating originated). There were instances of refusing to fight, and being shot for it.

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u/NoWayNotThisAgain Sep 24 '22

How far can you push the people before they push back? It’s becoming more and more likely that he’ll end up swinging from a lamp post before his cancer ends him.

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u/waraxx Sep 24 '22

North Korea demonstrates that the answer is: ALOT.

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u/ComfyFrog Sep 25 '22

Having your own mobile toilet + being the only fat guy in your nation = immortality

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u/damienDev Sep 24 '22

what about deserting moscow and hiding into a bunker?

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u/shibiwan Sep 24 '22

Putin is doubling down on Hitler's "no surrender" strategy.

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it works out for them.

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u/AdhesivenessOk6662 Sep 24 '22

Someone needs to take this dude out….

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u/yourteam Sep 24 '22

This is the usual move of a winning country in a conflict

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u/ra2eW8je Sep 24 '22

insane how russia, home to millions of ppl, is so powerless against one old man...

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u/Mothrahlurker Sep 24 '22

Not insane, they have a massive amount of police and surveillance and the tiniest amount of disobedience or suspicious behaviour gets punished.

There just isn't a way to communicate and organize large scale resistance.

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u/psuedoscientist500 Sep 24 '22

Would't this cause people to feign allegiance then switch to the ukranian side?

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u/Rsardinia Sep 24 '22

Really doubling down. Wonder how long the Russian population will put up with his shit

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u/YdnasErgo Sep 24 '22

Little pootin looks weaker every day.

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